The True Martial Artist

[elbows_and_knees]

Unfotunately, any topic that is controversial always ends up as a discussion topic.

Discussion is why we are here, right?

Bingo. If I didn't want something discussed, I wouldn't post it here. Especially a topic like this one. There is no set definition of what a martial artist even is, so of course there will be differences in contribution.

[elbows_and_knees]

doesnt show off or brag about being able to "whoop up on" any one or anything.

never layes a hand or women or children and always defends them

Here's one of the differences I just mentioned. I have a second job as a bouncer. Women act up just as much as men do. I have had women swing on me on several occasions. Am I a bad martial artist for having to restrain them and put them out? what about cops trained in MA who have to detain women?

[bushido_man96]

doesnt show off or brag about being able to "whoop up on" any one or anything.

never layes a hand or women or children and always defends them

Here's one of the differences I just mentioned. I have a second job as a bouncer. Women act up just as much as men do. I have had women swing on me on several occasions. Am I a bad martial artist for having to restrain them and put them out? what about cops trained in MA who have to detain women?

I say no. They must still be detained and controlled when they get out of control. Should they be smacked around? No, I don't believe so. But, if a woman swings at you, would you try to block? I would, even if it is out of reflex action. The thing is, they may still get hurt.

However, you are right, that women and children should never be attacked.

[Jeet Kune Do]

I have all those things, except for mabye not thinking that my style is better than others , just joking

[Jiffy]

There is a big difference between smacking up a woman and restraining them.... or any person for that matter. You can still maintain all the values of a Martial Artist and be an effective bouncer at the same time.... I've done it. In fact, by keeping your traditional Martial Arts values, you will actually improve your ability as a bouncer, remembering that you are a professional in the business of control, not domination.

[Brandon Fisher]

There is a big difference between smacking up a woman and restraining them.... or any person for that matter. You can still maintain all the values of a Martial Artist and be an effective bouncer at the same time.... I've done it. In fact, by keeping your traditional Martial Arts values, you will actually improve your ability as a bouncer, remembering that you are a professional in the business of control, not domination.

Is that like in the movie Road House when Patrcik Swayze says its a job its nothing personal

[bushido_man96]

There is a big difference between smacking up a woman and restraining them.... or any person for that matter. You can still maintain all the values of a Martial Artist and be an effective bouncer at the same time.... I've done it. In fact, by keeping your traditional Martial Arts values, you will actually improve your ability as a bouncer, remembering that you are a professional in the business of control, not domination.

Is that like in the movie Road House when Patrcik Swayze says its a job its nothing personal

That is an interesting example. I think that for the most part, being in a situation as a corrections officer or security officer is one of the most difficult things to do, because you are disadvantaged from the very beginning as to what you can and cannot do. In my job, I cannot strike anyone, even if they are being combative. We have to try to restrain people who are activley fighting us, and that is why the playing field is not level. If someone swings at me, and I block and counter out of reaction, I will most likely have a suit brought against me for striking the detainee. Is that fair?? Not in my view. However, that is the way it is, so we have to work with what we can, restraint and control. Of course, we do get some fun toys to play with, too, like Pepper Spray and Tasers. I have yet to pull those out, though.

I don't know about how it goes with elbow's job, but restraint I am sure is still a big part of it. The problem I have with maintaining my martial values in those situations is that I don't think they served me well if I get my face kicked in.

[Brandon Fisher]

I agree Corrections Officers and Police Officers are both on a uneven playing field. It is so sad to they are risking their lives for their job and they get rules put against them but the bad guy as all the rights. Somethings really wrong with that. I guess you can thank all the crooked lawyers for that one.

[bushido_man96]

I agree Corrections Officers and Police Officers are both on a uneven playing field. It is so sad to they are risking their lives for their job and they get rules put against them but the bad guy as all the rights. Somethings really wrong with that. I guess you can thank all the crooked lawyers for that one.

My sentiments exactly.

[Rick_72]

That is an interesting example. I think that for the most part, being in a situation as a corrections officer or security officer is one of the most difficult things to do, because you are disadvantaged from the very beginning as to what you can and cannot do. In my job, I cannot strike anyone, even if they are being combative. We have to try to restrain people who are activley fighting us, and that is why the playing field is not level. If someone swings at me, and I block and counter out of reaction, I will most likely have a suit brought against me for striking the detainee. Is that fair?? Not in my view. However, that is the way it is, so we have to work with what we can, restraint and control. Of course, we do get some fun toys to play with, too, like Pepper Spray and Tasers. I have yet to pull those out, though.

I don't know about how it goes with elbow's job, but restraint I am sure is still a big part of it. The problem I have with maintaining my martial values in those situations is that I don't think they served me well if I get my face kicked in.

The beauty of restrainting someone is that by applying a good technique and putting them into the ground (notice I said "into", not "on" ) is that you can inflict just as much pain with a non compliant attacker as you could with strikes, sometimes more. Not that I enjoy hurting people, however, I sympathize with law enforcement personnel and their ability to counter a combative suspect and what the law will allow them to do.