Shui Tora Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 hrm, i thought they fixed the double post bugOpps! Sorry about that... My PC was playing / freezing and so I must've clicked on it twice! Any moderators there, do delete one of the posts!Watashi no machigai!My mistake! To know the road ahead; ask those coming back... ~ Chinese Proverb" The ultimate aim of Karate lies not in victory or defeat, but in the perfection of the character of its participants. " ~ Master Funakoshi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patusai Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 Let's see if I can remember... Itosu created some of the Pinan. Although one of his creations was easier and should have been the first one taught, out of respect for his teacher who either created the other Pian or techniques used in it came from his teacher he chose to signify that one as One instead of his easier creation. That is something like the way that I remember it and I am trying to google information to see if something like that is out there. "Don't tell me the sky's the limit because I have seen footprints on the moon!" -- Paul Brandt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiffy Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 so does anyone know why pinan shodan/heian nidan was originally the first kata? its considerably more complicated than pinan nidan/heian shodan. its something i've never quite understood.For us, it isn't. Hein Shodan is first for us. (of the colour belt katas. We have "Kihon Kata" before that) The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiffy Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 I am not sure why it was done they way it was originally Itosu must of had his reasons. I think it first switched around with Funakoshi though.I think Funakoshi switched them because the first one was harder to learn, and he was teaching children, and not worrying about the applications at the time of them learning. These forms mainly became exercise, and the later forms were focused on for bunkai (I think).That makes sence (explains my previous post I guess) The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiffy Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 The 5 Heian katas were extracted from Kanku Dai to make it easier for students to assimilate. Kanku Dai was originally the first kata students would learn, but it was so difficult for beginners, hence the Heian katas.That's a really interesting point. Do you have some sort of documentation on this? I wouldn't mind finding out more... The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 The 5 Heian katas were extracted from Kanku Dai to make it easier for students to assimilate. Kanku Dai was originally the first kata students would learn, but it was so difficult for beginners, hence the Heian katas.That's a really interesting point. Do you have some sort of documentation on this? I wouldn't mind finding out more...Wiki for karate, and you can find some of this info. I printed out a bunch of stuff, and there is lots of info. Also wiki Funakoshi, and you will get lots of info as well. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorbasan Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 damn hein nidan, gets me every time. i think sandan is easier than nidan, but thats just me Now you use head for something other than target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiffy Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Yeah, just you I rekon, I find Nidan easier...It's just those akward cresent kicks and the slow movement at the top that are hard in Sandan. Nidan is at least mainly basic movements. The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorbasan Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 yeh, that slow movement is a cow.i think its because i spent so long doing heian sandan i got used to it (i missed a few gradings)i always start out with nidan, and go to san dan after the nukite. Now you use head for something other than target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsey Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 so does anyone know why pinan shodan/heian nidan was originally the first kata? its considerably more complicated than pinan nidan/heian shodan. its something i've never quite understood.For us, it isn't. Hein Shodan is first for us. (of the colour belt katas. We have "Kihon Kata" before that)yeah, same for us. i was just wondering why heian nidan was originally the first one, before funakoshi changed it. "Gently return to the simple physical sensation of the breath. Then do it again, and again, and again. Somewhere in this process, you will come face-to-face with the sudden and shocking realization that you are completely crazy. Your mind is a shrieking, gibbering madhouse on wheels." - ven. henepola gunaratana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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