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[bushido_man96]

so does anyone know why pinan shodan/heian nidan was originally the first kata? its considerably more complicated than pinan nidan/heian shodan. its something i've never quite understood.

I read a book by Iain Abernethy on the application of these forms. The reason that it was the first kata was because it dealt more with the first stage of combat, which is the initial exchange of limbs. The succeeding katas dealt with coming to grips, and eventually grappling.

[alsey]

that makes sense i guess. which book was it? abernethy's one of my heroes.

[Brandon Fisher]

I am not sure why it was done they way it was originally Itosu must of had his reasons. I think it first switched around with Funakoshi though.

[bushido_man96]

that makes sense i guess. which book was it? abernethy's one of my heroes.

It was an ebook found on his website.

[bushido_man96]

I am not sure why it was done they way it was originally Itosu must of had his reasons. I think it first switched around with Funakoshi though.

I think Funakoshi switched them because the first one was harder to learn, and he was teaching children, and not worrying about the applications at the time of them learning. These forms mainly became exercise, and the later forms were focused on for bunkai (I think).

[Zorbasan]

hi

im learning pinan shodan i am getting they

you are getting they what?

[Shui Tora]

alsey wrote:

so does anyone know why pinan shodan/heian nidan was originally the first kata? its considerably more complicated than pinan nidan/heian shodan. its something i've never quite understood.

You can always rely on Wiki!;

Anko Itosu served as a secretary to the last king of the Ryukyu islands until Japan abolished the Okinawa-based native monarchy in 1879. In 1901 he was instrumental in getting karate introduced into Okinawa's schools, creating and introducing the Pinan forms ("Heian" in Japanese, "Pyung Ahn" in Korean) as learning steps for students, because he felt the other forms ("kata" in Japanese, "hyung" in Korean) were too difficult for school children to learn. The five pinan forms were created by drawing from two older forms: kusanku (Korean: kong sang koon) and chiang nan (Korean: jae nam). Itosu is also credited with taking the large Naihanchi form (tekki in Japan) and breaking it into the three well-known modern forms Naihanchi Shodan, Naihanchi Nidan and Naihanchi Sandan.

That's how the Pinan Series were formed...

[Shui Tora]

alsey wrote:

so does anyone know why pinan shodan/heian nidan was originally the first kata? its considerably more complicated than pinan nidan/heian shodan. its something i've never quite understood.

You can always rely on Wiki!;

Anko Itosu served as a secretary to the last king of the Ryukyu islands until Japan abolished the Okinawa-based native monarchy in 1879. In 1901 he was instrumental in getting karate introduced into Okinawa's schools, creating and introducing the Pinan forms ("Heian" in Japanese, "Pyung Ahn" in Korean) as learning steps for students, because he felt the other forms ("kata" in Japanese, "hyung" in Korean) were too difficult for school children to learn. The five pinan forms were created by drawing from two older forms: kusanku (Korean: kong sang koon) and chiang nan (Korean: jae nam). Itosu is also credited with taking the large Naihanchi form (tekki in Japan) and breaking it into the three well-known modern forms Naihanchi Shodan, Naihanchi Nidan and Naihanchi Sandan.

That's how the Pinan Series were formed...

[Zorbasan]

hrm, i thought they fixed the double post bug

[RichardHangHong]

The 5 Heian katas were extracted from Kanku Dai to make it easier for students to assimilate. Kanku Dai was originally the first kata students would learn, but it was so difficult for beginners, hence the Heian katas.