UFC, Pride, and etc...

[elbows_and_knees]

Once again, I don't know where you train, or what you've been taught concerning Karate (or TKD, I can't speak for TKD because I have no TKD training), but where I train, and what I pass on to junior students is to kick and/or punch through the target.

Once again, i was taught with that intent - strike through the target. But the attacks still snapped. chamber the leg, kick through the target, then re-chamber the leg as fast as possible - that is a snapping kick. The thai roundhouse does not work that way though.

I'd be willing to bet you that if you dig back into a lot of those MMA guys early history's, that their young interest's in fighting began with something traditional.

sure, for the ones that started at a young age, because that's all there was. there are a lot of younger guys fighting today who started with mma stuff. back then, there was no such thing, and muay thai gyms were rare. Myself as an example, I've trained longfist, tkd, karate, tang soo do... But when I was younger there were no muay thai gyms around. there were not bjj schools. Heck, during the 80's, even judo was rare where I was living - that was during the ninja craze - nobody cared about judo then.

And who said Muay Thai wasn't traditional? What about boxing? Those didn't start out as sports did they?

what they started as doesn't matter, in terms of sport vs traditional. TKD is not a "traditional" style - it's less than 100 years old and it taught largely for sport - but it's still considered traditional. Why? the format of it. wrestling, boxing and muay thai, while very old styles are also taught and trained in a sportive manner, putting them under the sport fighting, non traditional category.

All I'm getting from your post's is that your trying to tell me that Muay arts, Brazilian Juijitsu/Juijitsu, boxing, wrestling/Judo, etc, etc. aren't traditional martial arts, and I think your wrong. Just because their now used primarily for sport by professional atheletes doesn't mean that their not traditional, it simply means that a traditional fighting art has been adapted for the entertainment of others. Not to mention the money making aspects of adapting it to sport.

see above.

EDIT:

and actually, muay thai was created solely as a sport. there have been several muay, the most recent being muay thai, which is only about 80 years old. the techniques from older muay that were considered low percentage were removed, and the bare bones style that was left became known as muay thai. older thai styles are muay chaiya, muay lon lon, muay lopburi, etc.

[DokterVet]

For the original poster,

here's a fight with some nice fast striking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThODgQVlS_o&mode=related&search=

[Chris05]

here watch this

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-234887588630418587&q=fedor+vs+cro+cop&hl=en

[kzshin]

As far as kicks taught in TKD or Karate, they're taught speed because you're striking for points as opposed to power. Should you ever find yourself on the receiving end of a Muay Thai kick, you'll know what I mean. I've trained in karate and TKD- their style of kick is thrown AT you and designed to get in and out quick, at the expense of power. A Muay Thai kick is thrown THROUGH you- your opponent is literally trying to break you in half with his leg.

Like Rick 72. I also dunno what style of Karate you trainned before. In karate, we were taught to able to "one hit one kill." Yes, there is time we want to get in and out quick, but there are also times we want to penetrate, and finish fight in one hit. They are just different techics with different intention.

the most recent being muay thai, which is only about 80 years old. the techniques from older muay that were considered low percentage were removed, and the bare bones style that was left became known as muay thai.

Not only techniques considered as low percentage from older muay were removed, and some of more dangerous, but very effective moves were removed also, and also grappling technics. Because they want to make it safe.

by they way, Mirko Cro Cop is a good fighters. Good technics and very precise.

[mantis.style]

In karate, we were taught to able to "one hit one kill." Yes, there is time we want to get in and out quick, but there are also times we want to penetrate, and finish fight in one hit.

As far as I am aware, the one hit one kill is about the intention that should be behind every strike and is not to be taken literally. It is very much like someone saying that they were driving the wheels off the car.

[elbows_and_knees]

Not only techniques considered as low percentage from older muay were removed, and some of more dangerous, but very effective moves were removed also, and also grappling technics.

as far as I know, muay has never been grappling intensive. There's been one documented style I've heard of that's rich in grappling but that's it. muay has always been striking. Now, there are thai arts that do have a grappling side, but not this one, other than the few throws, takedowns and clinchwork you learn.

some of these lethal moves are in fact the low percentage ones I am talking about.

[bushido_man96]

Not only techniques considered as low percentage from older muay were removed, and some of more dangerous, but very effective moves were removed also, and also grappling technics.

as far as I know, muay has never been grappling intensive. There's been one documented style I've heard of that's rich in grappling but that's it. muay has always been striking. Now, there are thai arts that do have a grappling side, but not this one, other than the few throws, takedowns and clinchwork you learn.

some of these lethal moves are in fact the low percentage ones I am talking about.

I was wondering if you could point me to a site that has information on the older muay styles, along with maybe a historical timeline? I am very interested, if you have some direction to send me.

[elbows_and_knees]

http://www.ancientmuaythai.com is one I can think of off the top of my head. There are some books too, like "Muay Thai: A Living Legacy"

[bushido_man96]

http://www.ancientmuaythai.com is one I can think of off the top of my head. There are some books too, like "Muay Thai: A Living Legacy"

Thank you much!

[Sohan]

http://www.ancientmuaythai.com is one I can think of off the top of my head. There are some books too, like "Muay Thai: A Living Legacy"

Good site!

With respect,

Sohan