Judo v. BJJ

[bushido_man96]

That is an interesting way to put it, ninjer.

I can see your point. However, if I was standing up, and I notice that more people are entering the fight, it is much easier to high-tail it out of there when you are already on your feet.

Just my opinion, though. I have been fortunate enough to not have to fight.

[ninjer]

That is an interesting way to put it, ninjer.

I can see your point. However, if I was standing up, and I notice that more people are entering the fight, it is much easier to high-tail it out of there when you are already on your feet.

Just my opinion, though. I have been fortunate enough to not have to fight.

Agreed, but knowing how to fight on the ground also means you know how to get up from the ground in a safe manner. Also take into account that most people get tunnel vision when in a fight. As a result, you only notice that more people are entering the fight once they've already hit you.

[bushido_man96]

That is an interesting way to put it, ninjer.

I can see your point. However, if I was standing up, and I notice that more people are entering the fight, it is much easier to high-tail it out of there when you are already on your feet.

Just my opinion, though. I have been fortunate enough to not have to fight.

Agreed, but knowing how to fight on the ground also means you know how to get up from the ground in a safe manner.

Ah, I agree with this 100%.

Your other points are good as well.

[marie curie]

Yeh, thats where BJJ breaks down- when the attacker has friends.

The thing with Judo is that you aren't going to finish someone unless you are able to throw just that hard or into something like a fire hydrant. Also, and I'm quite not the fan of TKD-but try to get close enough to throw against someone who's trained in kicks nonstop and nothing else- you will have a broken arm or rib by the time you get close enough, then can you effectively throw?

Nothing against- I heart Judo. It's just a sport- less a martial art- and as much as it is a MA, it's more an art and less martial, I think.

[bushido_man96]

Yeh, thats where BJJ breaks down- when the attacker has friends.

The thing with Judo is that you aren't going to finish someone unless you are able to throw just that hard or into something like a fire hydrant. Also, and I'm quite not the fan of TKD-but try to get close enough to throw against someone who's trained in kicks nonstop and nothing else- you will have a broken arm or rib by the time you get close enough, then can you effectively throw?

Nothing against- I heart Judo. It's just a sport- less a martial art- and as much as it is a MA, it's more an art and less martial, I think.

This is all really going to depend on how it is applied. If you train in a self-defense mind set, you can make it work.

Being in TKD, even through the kicking, it still isn't a problem to get inside and illicit a throw or takedown. In fact, the more time you spend standing on one leg, the more vulnerable you make yourself to a takedown or throw.

[ninjer]

Yeh, thats where BJJ breaks down- when the attacker has friends. The thing with Judo is that you aren't going to finish someone unless you are able to throw just that hard or into something like a fire hydrant. Also, and I'm quite not the fan of TKD-but try to get close enough to throw against someone who's trained in kicks nonstop and nothing else- you will have a broken arm or rib by the time you get close enough, then can you effectively throw?

Nothing against- I heart Judo. It's just a sport- less a martial art- and as much as it is a MA, it's more an art and less martial, I think.

Thats where EVERY martial art breaks down- the only difference is that BJJ acknowledges it...

[bushido_man96]

Yeh, thats where BJJ breaks down- when the attacker has friends. The thing with Judo is that you aren't going to finish someone unless you are able to throw just that hard or into something like a fire hydrant. Also, and I'm quite not the fan of TKD-but try to get close enough to throw against someone who's trained in kicks nonstop and nothing else- you will have a broken arm or rib by the time you get close enough, then can you effectively throw?

Nothing against- I heart Judo. It's just a sport- less a martial art- and as much as it is a MA, it's more an art and less martial, I think.

Thats where EVERY martial art breaks down- the only difference is that BJJ acknowledges it...

Extremely good point. There really is no Martial Art that is effective against multiple attackers.

[ninjer]

Yeh, thats where BJJ breaks down- when the attacker has friends.

The thing with Judo is that you aren't going to finish someone unless you are able to throw just that hard or into something like a fire hydrant. Also, and I'm quite not the fan of TKD-but try to get close enough to throw against someone who's trained in kicks nonstop and nothing else- you will have a broken arm or rib by the time you get close enough, then can you effectively throw?

Nothing against- I heart Judo. It's just a sport- less a martial art- and as much as it is a MA, it's more an art and less martial, I think.

Its actually quite easy to close the distance with people who are kickers, much moreso than you would think. That was one of the problems of martial arts prior to UFC- everyone thought that their strikes were so deadly that you couldnt close the distance without getting severely injured.

This is a classic vid- Royce Gracie vs Jason Delucia in their first matchup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjK0g-cDJI4&mode=related&search=

Another against a karate school:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-SltgKQHDU

Its much more challenging to close the distance with someone who's a good puncher rather than a good kicker. Even then, its not difficult if you have a little bit of grappling experience (and assuming your opponent has none)

[NightOwl]

Even in boxing matches though, you'll often see the two fighters get into a clinch at least once. Of course all they can do from that point is throw short range body shots due to the constraints of boxing rules, but that would be the perfect range for a throw or take down

[ninjer]

Even in boxing matches though, you'll often see the two fighters get into a clinch at least once. Of course all they can do from that point is throw short range body shots due to the constraints of boxing rules, but that would be the perfect range for a throw or take down

Thanks for posting that so I didnt have to. Think about it for a minute- here are two people who cant be anymore striking oriented, and their natrual instinct is still to grab their opponent.