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Shinobi and Ninja


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yeah, the ninja mask is called tengu-gui if i remember right.

This is true about the mask but a Ninja isn't referred to as a Tengu. I seriously doubt Hatsuumi told you that. I could say that Vitor Belfort, Carlson Gracie(rip), Francisco Filho, etc. have told me some crazy stuff but it doesn't make it true even though I have met them.

What I'm getting at is if you're gonna make some weird claims like that have some proof.

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i just found this in wikipedia's ninja page:

"Their special abilities are also often exaggerated, such as becoming invisible, multiplying themselves, turning into animals, jumping over buildings, the ability to fly, stick to the walls and foresee the future. These myths were caused by the secretive nature of ninja, and confusion with Tengu and yamabushi."

i guess if they were confused with tengu they could have been called tengu by some people.

"Gently return to the simple physical sensation of the breath. Then do it again, and again, and again. Somewhere in this process, you will come face-to-face with the sudden and shocking realization that you are completely crazy. Your mind is a shrieking, gibbering madhouse on wheels." - ven. henepola gunaratana
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Some of the Tengu were literally called Yamabushi Tengu just like some Ninja were also known as Yamabushi. Yamabushi means something along the lines of mountain person/hermit depending on how it's used.

No native Japanese speaker that I know would ever call a ninja a Tengu. Seriously, find proof or don't make weird claims because people that don't know any better might believe ninja are also known as tengu.

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i don't have any definite proof, i'm just saying that people at the time could have believed that ninja were tengu due to their 'powers'.

"Gently return to the simple physical sensation of the breath. Then do it again, and again, and again. Somewhere in this process, you will come face-to-face with the sudden and shocking realization that you are completely crazy. Your mind is a shrieking, gibbering madhouse on wheels." - ven. henepola gunaratana
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this is like the best disscussion of ninja ive seen on a forum for awhile oh and hatsumi soke says it in many of his books about ninja that they were refered to as tengu sometimes

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