armanox Posted July 16, 2006 Author Posted July 16, 2006 Misusing the "Yell" as you put it, is not necessary. However, the "yell" (as it is stated) can also be:1. Showing strong sprit - a good thing.2. Executing a killing blow with Kiai - a good thing.3. Giving what the judges are looking for - many times a good thing, but not always if mis-used.- Killer -Strong spirit and focus on a particular technique are important. But it looses effect when a kiai is used every attack - most kata that I'm familiar with have 1-2 kiai used in them, not 20. "Karate is NOT about the colour of belt you wear it is about the person you become;...to be a good blackbelt is to be humble and respectful amongst other things." -Dobbersky
cross Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 At our dojo kiai are only heard:1. The 1 or 2 times they are found in kata. 2. At the end of a set of techniques in kihon. 3. Between higher level students in kumite(only a couple of times per session).Its rare to hear junior(in rank) students use kiai in kumite, unless its for competition and then they go a little overboard.
Triskel Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 Please read this, it's a nice aproach to the kiai and breathing stuffhttp://www.wolfson.ox.ac.uk/clubs/taido/files/breathing.pdf -------------------------Karate ni sente nashi
lordtariel Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 I think it happens way too much in tournament sparring. In tournament fighting, it can be used to draw the referee's attention to a scoring strike or to make the strike seem more powerful. The problem is if you use it too much, it has the opposite effect, and the ref will tend to zone it out. My take on the matter is that if the kiai comes from your fighting spirit, it's fine, if you're just trying to make noise to sound cool, it's a waste of breath and energy. There's no place like 127.0.0.1
daizyblackbelt Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 i've recently taken up kendo, and it's a whole 'nother world in terms of kiais.they kiai CONSTANTLY. They yell before they attack, during their attack, after the attack, it never ends. Part of it is identifying the attack: "men" for the head (short for shomen-uchi), "do" for the ribs, etc.. But, it's also based in the idea of focus/distraction/intimidation that most of us karatekas have. In that circumstance, the overabundance of yelling has to do with the art one is training in. It's a vast difference from my experience with traditional karate in which katas have about 2 kiais each.despite that, even though it sounds silly, it's kinda fun to yell your head off as you chase someone around whacking them in the head with a piece of bamboo...
Triskel Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 despite that, even though it sounds silly, it's kinda fun to yell your head off as you chase someone around whacking them in the head with a piece of bamboo...ROTFL!! -------------------------Karate ni sente nashi
alsey Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 daizyblackbelt has already mentioned it but we kiai all the time in kendo. if you deliver a perfect cut in kendo but don't kiai, you don't get the point!so i'm pretty used to it. its become very natural to me to kiai when executing a technique. it helps me focus. now if i do something without kiai the technique feels kind of empty.there is of course a difference between shouting every time you do something and true kiai. true kiai isn't really a concious decision to shout; it comes from within as a result of executing the technique using your whole body and spirit. "Gently return to the simple physical sensation of the breath. Then do it again, and again, and again. Somewhere in this process, you will come face-to-face with the sudden and shocking realization that you are completely crazy. Your mind is a shrieking, gibbering madhouse on wheels." - ven. henepola gunaratana
Killer Miller Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 Well said alsey - my point exactly...- Killer -daizyblackbelt has already mentioned it but we kiai all the time in kendo. if you deliver a perfect cut in kendo but don't kiai, you don't get the point!so i'm pretty used to it. its become very natural to me to kiai when executing a technique. it helps me focus. now if i do something without kiai the technique feels kind of empty.there is of course a difference between shouting every time you do something and true kiai. true kiai isn't really a concious decision to shout; it comes from within as a result of executing the technique using your whole body and spirit. Mizu No KokoroShodan - Nishiyama SenseiTable Tennis: http://www.jmblades.com/Auto Weblog: http://appliedauto.mypunbb.com/Auto Forum: http://appauto.wordpress.com/
Sohan Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 daizyblackbelt has already mentioned it but we kiai all the time in kendo. if you deliver a perfect cut in kendo but don't kiai, you don't get the point!Gee, your neighbors must LOVE it when you practice at home.... With respect,Sohan "If I cannot become one of extraordinary accomplishment, I will not walk the earth." Zen Master Nakahara Nantenbo"A man who has attained mastery of an art reveals it in his every action." Samuarai maxim"Knowing others is wisdom; knowing yourself is Enlightenment." Lao-Tzu
parkerlineage Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 I've always wondered why you identify the target in kendo. Doesn't that make it easier for your opponent to read when you do that?I think we should do that in Kenpo..."Elbow! Groin! Nose! Sciatic Nerve!" American Kenpo Karate- First Degree Black Belt"He who hesitates, meditates in a horizontal position."Ed Parker
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