Treebranch Posted July 3, 2006 Posted July 3, 2006 I was realizing a couple weeks ago after doing BJJ for a little over a year now, that too many practitioners in BJJ love the ground too much. Now if you are competing and working on guard passes and such, I guess it's necessary. I was sparring and I kept finding moments of when I could either break free and or simply get up. There were a great number of these moments. It's seems like we forget we can simply get up. Do any one else feel this way? "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
ps1 Posted July 3, 2006 Posted July 3, 2006 I think you're correct from a self defense standpoint. If you can stand back up safely...do it. You should practice the self defense applications as often as the sport applications. "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenius."
UseoForce Posted July 3, 2006 Posted July 3, 2006 Yes, there are those people out there. I fall victim to this mentality sometimes. It's funny when you stand up and the other guy stays down. A lot of times, he is totally at your mercy at this point. If it works, use it!If not, throw it out!
BJJShotoshe Posted July 4, 2006 Posted July 4, 2006 Well, it all depends on what you want out of the art. If you are taking it because you enjoy it then you shouldn't mind being on the ground. That is what BJJ is all about. If you are thinking you are taking it for the common sense and the defense then you are right, but then why take a year of it when you could just learn the basic escapes from the ground and invest you time in an art like Judo. Judo doesn't roll around the on ground pretty much at all. Mostly just take downs and then walk away. shodan - ShotokanBlue Belt - Jiu-JitsuWhoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care the themself without that law is both. For wounded man shall say to his assailant, if I live I will kill you, If I die you are forgiven-- such is the rule of Honor.
bushido_man96 Posted July 4, 2006 Posted July 4, 2006 Thats an interesting realization. If it were me, I would get off the ground every chance I got...I never did like wrestling. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com
Jiffy Posted July 5, 2006 Posted July 5, 2006 I have definately found this. This is quite amusing actually, cos there was a post in the Karate section (I think it was) that said someone had made the observation that Karate people are too attached to being on their feet.As I was saying in the other one, it all comes down to comfort zone. People will always revert to what they are comfortable with. The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open.
Punishment224 Posted July 5, 2006 Posted July 5, 2006 I agree i think is when they get to the ground their battle plan could be impossible to defeat but even though they have a battle plan it may not work..... or since there r so many submission moves their sure that he/she might get then in a submitting move so it all about where ur body is angled plus the position ur in Fighting is my talent
Treebranch Posted July 5, 2006 Author Posted July 5, 2006 Well, it all depends on what you want out of the art. If you are taking it because you enjoy it then you shouldn't mind being on the ground. That is what BJJ is all about. If you are thinking you are taking it for the common sense and the defense then you are right, but then why take a year of it when you could just learn the basic escapes from the ground and invest you time in an art like Judo. Judo doesn't roll around the on ground pretty much at all. Mostly just take downs and then walk away.Good points! I really do enjoy it, but it was just something that I realized and wanted to see if anyone else noticed this. BJJ has helped me feel like I'm now pretty well rounded. I like the competition and the creativity of groundfighting that I don't think you can really learn in a short time. Thanks for all your responses. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
RicksonFan Posted August 4, 2006 Posted August 4, 2006 I do sometimes. Although, I also feel that most of the time I can keep a guy from standing up if i want. Or, I can severely punish him for doing so (think Vanderlie kneeing heads and kicking grounded people.) Personally, I like the ground, but I most like my opponent on the ground with me up, hurting him.
legkicker Posted August 4, 2006 Posted August 4, 2006 Well, it all depends on what you want out of the art. If you are taking it because you enjoy it then you shouldn't mind being on the ground. That is what BJJ is all about. If you are thinking you are taking it for the common sense and the defense then you are right, but then why take a year of it when you could just learn the basic escapes from the ground and invest you time in an art like Judo. Judo doesn't roll around the on ground pretty much at all. Mostly just take downs and then walk away.Not true about Judo at all; granted, a typical Kodokan Judoka doesn't spend as much time on the ground as a BJJ practitioner because of tournament rules. Judo is done primarily as a sport by most now, but if what you said was true why would Judo even have newaza(ground techniques)? Please don't tell a Kosen Judo practitioner that they don't spend time on the ground, too. Back to the original poster, what you say is somewhat true but when you're practicing BJJ you're trying to work on getting better at being on the ground. When I practice Karate I don't shoot for a takedown and start grappling on the ground. When I do BJJ I don't go to stand up and start stomping and leg kicking who I'm grappling with, neither.
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