Pressure Points - mystical or basic biomechanics?

[Jiffy]

Watch how you use the term "watered down." I prefer to say that Judo refined their techniques more so than "watered down" the style- after all, they did do quite a good job of defeating all but one JJJ school when they emerged.

Fair point. No offence intended. Judo is an extremely effective art. My father does it and I've considered doing it myself. Refined is probably a better way of putting it.

Now that I think Im familiar with what this lock is (thanks to Elbows and knees- it looks like a wristlock) I've seen it before and I think its ridiculous- I had someone show it to me before and I didnt like it, for the simple fact that while you're attempting to set up the lock you're very vulnerable to being hit by the other hand, your opponent shrugging out of it, etc. When it was shown to me (by someone who thought he had a clue about grappling-thats a shot at him, not anyone who teaches the move) I simply just turned it into an armdrag and went to my opponents back, from which position I had the option of setting up a choke, a chicken wing, both, and an assortment of other moves. On top of that, by being on my opponents back, I was also safe should he decide to start fighting me

Ah the memories come flooding back. One day in JJ class, a student with previous MA experience insisted exactly this, that the lock was not effective as they still had movement of the body and use of the other hand. Sensei (75yrs old) invited him to demonstrate his point. Needless to say, the guy was not able to hit Sensei or prevent the lock and infact ended up driving home with only one hand.

[Jiffy]

I have used the goose neck lock in Combat Hapkido, and we used it as an escort lock. What I don't like about it is that it is started from a wrist grab. I think if a way to do it from another starting point could be used, it may be more useful. Once it is there, you have them locked in pretty tight, though.

There are MANY MANY ways to get into a goose neck. You can cease the arm from a punch or grab and get into it. It works from a hostile handshake situation or where you have done a take down and still have their arm. From a bouncer point of view, it also is a very effective lock when approaching from behined. Of all the techniques I have used as a bouncer, goose neck and reverse goose neck would be the most common.

[bushido_man96]

I have used the goose neck lock in Combat Hapkido, and we used it as an escort lock. What I don't like about it is that it is started from a wrist grab. I think if a way to do it from another starting point could be used, it may be more useful. Once it is there, you have them locked in pretty tight, though.

There are MANY MANY ways to get into a goose neck. You can cease the arm from a punch or grab and get into it. It works from a hostile handshake situation or where you have done a take down and still have their arm. From a bouncer point of view, it also is a very effective lock when approaching from behined. Of all the techniques I have used as a bouncer, goose neck and reverse goose neck would be the most common.

Very nice. I will have to work on some of the variations. What I do like about it is that if you can secure it with one arm, you can use the free hand to grab the hair, block, etc.

[kzshin]

watch this, its from BBC, and it had feature some other famous martial artist like Dr. Hatsumi from Bujinkan. So it should be credible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drz-CMespEM&mode=related&search=

[Brandon Fisher]

Some of the techniques are amazing but not unreal or impossible. Its the non touch stuff I don't believe.

[bushido_man96]

watch this, its from BBC, and it had feature some other famous martial artist like Dr. Hatsumi from Bujinkan. So it should be credible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drz-CMespEM&mode=related&search=

........um, not so sure about that. I'd have to have it done to me to believe it.

[Jiffy]

Yep, same here. Not a believer I'm afraid.

I'm yet to see any scientific proof or logical reasoning as the effectiveness of ANY touchless knockouts.

AFAIK, they are all the same.... POS. (Power Of Suggestion)

This one on the other hand, I think that being a touched pressure point, there's a possibility.

[Brandon Fisher]

It looked to me like the guy actually made contact. If I am wrong and he didn't make contact then I don't believe it either.

[bushido_man96]

It looked to me like the guy actually made contact. If I am wrong and he didn't make contact then I don't believe it either.

He was making contact, but I still don't buy it.

[kzshin]

well, not many people really knows how to do it these days, althought there are people claim they do, but they acutally don't.

I guess you have to fly to China to really get hit by one.

To me, since it's a program from reputable BBC, and this particular program, has people like Dr. Hatsumi on the show before, so I think it's credible enough for me to believed it.

by the way, he did make contact.