Sci-Fi Geek Question

[bat in a birdless village]

I was watching an episode of Star Trek and got to thinking about the holodeck. In it, characters train for battle simulations or experience things such as being on a boat, playing baseball, or visiting a pub. Martial art classes would be available in a holodeck.

So, if someone got their black belt (or equivelant) from a similar computer simulation, would it count or even be respected in the martial arts community? Would it be considered real or equated to the mail in black belt certificates we have now?

This is an upcoming possibility of sorts. The Playstation II has its Eye Toy, which translates our body movements in games, such as martial arts fighting games. We aren't there yet, but my question could be an issue one day.

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[patusai]

Nice question. Personally, if the computer were programed with the abilities of a respected master and the training was allowing the computer to actually think and train in the masters mind then it would be and should be honored (IMHO). The computer could be used to jusge tournaments and, because it is a computer subjectivness in decisions would not be a problem...unless programed in.

As forc the PSII sim...give it about 200 years to develop to the level of the holodeck and..maybe.

You asked a great question. I will be interested in reading other answers.

[bushido_man96]

That is a good question. It would depend on the level of AI the program would have. Also, if the program could adapt to the different learning abilities of different people.

That would be kind of cool.....

holodeck: "Good morning, Mr. Walker. What style would you like to study today?"

Me: "Well, computer, I think I would like to work on my ground fighting today, so make it ju-jitsu."

Cool concept to think of, isn't it!

[parkerlineage]

I have always said they should do this. I also think it should include some sort of fighting regimen, where one can go "full contact" against either a computer or a real person, where everything is legal, and injuries impede movement/reflexes/etc., but no actual damage is done, because it's all virtual. Not sure how you'd do that, but while we're fanticising...

[Menjo]

I was watching an episode of Star Trek and got to thinking about the holodeck. In it, characters train for battle simulations or experience things such as being on a boat, playing baseball, or visiting a pub. Martial art classes would be available in a holodeck.

So, if someone got their black belt (or equivelant) from a similar computer simulation, would it count or even be respected in the martial arts community? Would it be considered real or equated to the mail in black belt certificates we have now?

This is an upcoming possibility of sorts. The Playstation II has its Eye Toy, which translates our body movements in games, such as martial arts fighting games. We aren't there yet, but my question could be an issue one day.

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With no real threat, knowing that they can get away with screwing up would be a dangerous effect. At first they would feel fear of course, but anyone would learn to have no fear(In a different way then in real life).

I dont think the participants would...learn... thier own body, this is essiantial, I can't exactly explain it. But you must know your own self in every aspect, this mixes with my first point. but first, I also think true concepts of martial arts might be lost from all the set backs(Which are actually improvements). You cant learn your own self without experiancing real fear. I feel that because we are so grounded all the time and that we constantly feel limitations, that we develop as people and as martial artists.

The true martial artists who sometimes sacrifice things and time to train, would not exist, as this sacrificing is a part of training, and the holodeck would take away the need to put your heart into what you do.

Overall, I think maybe once in awhile(Once every few years), a experianced martial artist could go in and train in the holodeck for a day.

My main point here is that ones training would be constantly fed into them. This is useless, because the whole point is self relization for many.

I often find I will notice something and then read about it in a Martial art book, and I get proud because I know where and that I am developing.

Thats how it was done hundreds or even thousands of years ago, things were learned and training ideas were realised. Honestly, I think any sort of information should be earned through training.

For me: I'm reading a book called Hagakure, this book is a collection of stories and ideas, in oreder for me to really understand these peices, for every certain amount of kata I do with real and true effort and not speeding along, I offer myself a section or peice of writing. But I aways forget about the book in the end, and remember later, that also makes me glad that I haven't done kata for the book, but for training.

Anyway, I hope training today does not get any more informative without true training. This is a serious matter for me in martial arts. I guess this got off-topic, but the beginning relates to the actual topic above.

Its a great topic though.

[KarateK]

I think that it could be a worthy, useful training tool in years to come. The ability to fight without chance of injury is probably going to divide people. Of course for health and safety it would be a great advancement. However if you go into a fight knowing you are'nt going to get hurt surely it may dampen the levels of aggression etc you need in a fight?

[shotochem]

I think that it could be a worthy, useful training tool in years to come. The ability to fight without chance of injury is probably going to divide people. Of course for health and safety it would be a great advancement. However if you go into a fight knowing you are'nt going to get hurt surely it may dampen the levels of aggression etc you need in a fight?

A computer can never replace real training.

Pain and real live feedback are a powerful, yet stimulating tool.

[lordtariel]

You could learn technical stuff from a machine, like how to punch and kick, but a sensei is a mentor, friend and guide to the student, all of which a machine could never be.

[KarateK]

Shotochem I wasnt suggesting it could. I just believe that it could be a useful tool in learning the basics

[shotochem]

Shotochem I wasnt suggesting it could. I just believe that it could be a useful tool in learning the basics

Maybe you are right.

If it would scream in pain whenever I hit it right, it would be an excellent

motivational tool.

We could even have the simulation take the form of anyone you want to throw a beating. (your Boss, your ex, telemarketers ect....)

Talk about stress relief, I can project my wildest desires and not get arrested.

I can now see the genius of it.

I will now meditate and dream up my first simulation while you guys work on making my dreams come true.