Billy Jack Posted April 25, 2002 Posted April 25, 2002 I just had a friendly debate with someone who studies Hapkido. He claims that boxing is useless against Hapkido. I said I'll bet that if Mike Tyson agreed to fight your Hapkido master (4th Dan), on the street or in the dojang, Tyson would win. I was told I was wrong, and that the Hapkido master would simply kick Tyson's knee to disable him and follow-up with additional techniques, and therefore boxing is useless against Hapkido. I contend that a boxer like Tyson is not going to just stand there and let you kick his leg or knee in, and that he will control and use distance to his advantage before delivering a knockout blow. What do you experts think?
Ti-Kwon-Leap Posted April 25, 2002 Posted April 25, 2002 If the hapkido master were built like mike tyson I would have to put my money on him. These sort of fantasy matches are pretty funny, because they deal with so much speculation. But generally speaking, martial artists in general cannot stand toe to toe with a heavyweight champion boxer. A martial artist would have to "chop down the tree" with kicks from the outside. and would have to have extraordinary mobility. Ti-Kwon-Leap"Annoying the ignorant since 1961"
spinninggumby Posted April 25, 2002 Posted April 25, 2002 Well it's hard to compare Mike Tyson with a Hapkido practitioner. Mike Tyson is a pretty extraordinary, cream of the crop boxer. In order to be fair, you would need an extraordinary cream of the crop hapkido guy (more than someone who is just qualified to teach). 'Conviction is a luxury for those on the sidelines'William Parcher, 'A BEAUTIFUL MIND'
Taikudo-ka Posted April 25, 2002 Posted April 25, 2002 Yeah, it IS never ending fantasy and speculation... All down to the individual and how well they trained, and their natural ability. This is what I think. Boxing is a martial art, and Tyson is considered one of the world's best, not just in skill but overall physique and fighting attitude (i.e. HEAVYweight champion - he's a big, very strong guy, and he's beat lots of other very big, strong guys) But boxing is a very "sport" oriented art, rather than focusing on self-defense per se. It is also "limited" in technique to mainly hand-work. No kicking or grappling, no vital point striking, no bare-hand striking with various "hands" (knuckle fist, open palm, hammer, etc) The flip-side of this is that by focusing and training very hard on a "limited" set of techniques, the boxer can develop excellent hand skills, with fast, lethal combination punches and excellent upper body defense and evasion. Hapkido, on the other hand, is a very broad martial art. (From what I understand, a sort of combo of Aikido and Tae-Kwon-Do). So the Hapkidoist will have a wide range of techniques, knowledge of whole body defense, kicking, throws, locks, etc. Hopefully he knows about vital point striking, and is used to bare-knuckle punching from striking the makiwara or heavy bag or whatever they use in Hapkido. The flip-side is that they can't have devoted as much time to each area, so his punching, say, will probably not be as good as a boxer who punches "full-time". Also it is unlikely that an instructor at a dojo has trained as hard and is in as good a shape as the world heavyweight champion of any martial art. I think the key to victory here for the skilled Hapkidoist (or Karateka or whatever) would be learning and being able to apply the high level "street defense" moves in the kata, or that have come froem Aikido in Hapkido. I'd say that if your Hapkido Master tried to fight Tyson on "his terms", ie a sparring fight style, trying to out punch and kick the champ, the Hapkido master would probably lose. The low kicks COULD be useful, but I don't think they'd add too much to the game, unless he gets lucky, or Tyson forgets he's not in the ring and breaks his hand on your skull... On the other hand, if the Hapkido master is able to pull some of the high-level stuff on Tyson, get him in a lock, break his arm, throw him on his back, etc, perhaps assisted by a few well placed blows to vital points like throat, groin, knees, eyes and nasal bridge, etc, I think he might have a good chance. Tyson would have NO training against that sort of stuff, and would probably not be expecting it Be warned though, he has been known to fight dirty... KarateForums.com - Sempai
Taikudo-ka Posted April 25, 2002 Posted April 25, 2002 As an adendum to my last post, I'd like to say that the comparison relies on the Hapkido master having a build that is not at too much of a disadvantage against Tyson. eg, similar weight, or if somewhat lighter, at least with a height advantage. If he's built like Gichin Funakoshi (i.e. about 5'. 120lbs), then he'd have a harder time against a human tank like Tyson. Maybe not impossible, just much harder. KarateForums.com - Sempai
Bon Posted April 25, 2002 Posted April 25, 2002 I don't think Mike Tyson is a good person to represent boxing, the guy is an animal! He's no 'normal' human being, his ear biting in the ring proved that.. Also, when he killed someone, he just laughed. He's also spent time in prison, god know what he did in there. Mike Tyson would probably be more suited to street fighting than most martial artists. It takes sacrifice to be the best.There are always two choices, two paths to take. One is easy. And its only reward is that it's easy.
G95champ Posted April 25, 2002 Posted April 25, 2002 Streetfight you say. LOL Tyson would bite his ear off. LOL..... Location is huge. Does the fight take place in a parking lot or in a narrow alley? The more open the space the better the odds are for the Karate person. However when you face a person with Tyson type power the KO is a big factor. This fight could happen 10 times and you would get a differant result each time. IMO... (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
shotochem Posted April 25, 2002 Posted April 25, 2002 Has anyone considered how much harder Mike Tyson would hit without his boxing gloves on!?!?!?! :eek: I would not want to get hit by that!!! Pain is only temporary, the memory of that pain lasts a lifetime.
KickChick Posted April 25, 2002 Posted April 25, 2002 I'm with Bon on this one..... Mike Tyson ... I can think of several other top notch boxers besides him.... When was the last time Tyson beat a worthy opponent? Try 1991. He beat Razor Ruddock twice that year. Since then, Tyson has beat up on a series of second-raters: Henry Tillman, Buster Mathis, Bruce Seldon, Peter McNeely, Orlin Norris, Andrew Golota, Julius Francis, Francois Botha, Lou Savarese. Who's any good in that group? Tyson lost twice to Holyfield, never fought Riddick Bowe and hasn't fought Lennox Lewis. Two quality victories in 10 years ...really in 13 years, since Tyson KO'd Michael Spinks in June 1988. The only drama Tyson has produced in a ring in recent years was biting off a piece of Holyfield's ear and trying to break Botha's arm the very next fight. It's not that his skills are rusty ... he has no skills remaining. He was convicted of rape. He was arrested for punching a man in his chest and kicking another after a traffic accident and went to prison again. He said to Lewis, "I want to eat your children." He doesn't need a boxing license, he needs psychiatric attention.
Pacificshore Posted April 25, 2002 Posted April 25, 2002 Crazy is as Crazy does!! Hope the Hapkido guy likes ears like Tyson Di'DaDeeeee!!!Mind of Mencia
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