full contact training bad for technique?

[kenpo4life]

For some reason, folks think that fll contact means full power. Ridiculous! Most Thais in Thailand spar pretty lightly. They make their living that way,so why affect the way a person makes a living. I think that people are filled with the mystique of full contact. I grew up and fought bare knuckle my entire life. It can hurt, but is important psychologically. Practice full body striking, and let your intensity increase as your skill level does.

[lupus yonderboy]

Hi all,

I want to share something with the list and get opinions on the subject. I'm a Nidan in shotokan from a very traditional, basics, bunkai, and kumite-oriented dojo. Our kumite was strong, controlled, combination-oriented (not points), but by no means full-contact, although the mroe advanced one gets the heavier the contact gets. When I lived near my dojo and trained there consistenly, we would sometimes arrange workouts with other dojos, mostly goju-ryu, shorin-ryu, kyokushin, and once in while jiujitsu dojos. We all got along pretty well and visited each others' clasess. (ah, the friendly martial arts community of the early 1990's!)

My experience was this: the more full-contact the dojos did on a consistent basis -that is, the more violent their training, the more conditioning, but less technique the students (even advanced ones, balck blets, etc) had. When we did full-contact kumite (usually with finger gloves and hand techniques to face allowed) between advanced students, actually, the knockdown dojos did not do that well against us! Our emphasis on footwork and strategy generally overcame their conditioning and agressiveness.

anyone out ther who ahs ahd different (or similar) experiences?.

Osu!

Fight at reduced contact levels most of the time.

Fight full contact once every week or so.

That is an awesome mix

[yingampyang]

I think that a full contact sparing session should be held once a week. Every other time there should be semi contact , for your training aspects. But full contact is great.

[Ozpunker]

I've always been told "That with technique comes power" It's been drilled into my head since the first day I started training.

When we talk about full contact here, what is meant by that exactly? When we train we have shin/foot guards and wear boxing gloves and mouth guards (Some wear head gear). We don't punch/kick with full strength but you make sure that your opponent knows they've been hit.

I find that when I have to spar in non-contact fights I usually do rather poorly, I spend more effort in making sure I pull my punches/kicks up in time than perfecting technique. I also find myself fighting slower.

The thing I like about contact sparing is that it conditions my body to be able to take hits properly and it makes learn how to focus after you've been hit in the head.

[Soheir]

I don't think it affects, accept for an individual it might. I would expect it to make the practitioner's technique better by the fact that you don't get very far in full contact (not really in any contact....) if you do not have the technique. But then again, if this practitioner is not very advanced, he doesn't have the techniqe That well And he loses half of the technique while sparring hard.

...I also would like to know what exactly is meant by full contact, what Can it include?

[Kuma]

This is one of those cases where MMA teaches us everything we need to know about the question. Ask yourself: How do the best fighters train? It's a mix of full contact, low contact, and various equipment drills, plus tons of good conditioning. That's it, nothing more.

I wouldn't say this was just an MMA thing. Many if not all pro fighters do this type of training. In my Kyokushin training we spend a lot of time on kihon and kata, not just kumite, as well as conditioning. Nobody can train full contact all the time every day for long.

[sensei8]

To much of a good thing can spoil good training. Therefore, take a break once in a while...do something other than the martial arts.

[bushido_man96]

To much of a good thing can spoil good training. Therefore, take a break once in a while...do something other than the martial arts.

Yeah!!!!.....like posting...on a Martial Arts forum......

[sensei8]

To much of a good thing can spoil good training. Therefore, take a break once in a while...do something other than the martial arts.

Yeah!!!!.....like posting...on a Martial Arts forum......

Good point...you meany.

[kansascityshuffle]

To play devil's advocate here, I would like to say, "the more focused on technique the less effective for fighting?". There needs to be a happy medium between technique and 'full contact'. Focusing on the sundome method of kumite and too compliant training methodologies IMHO doesn't prepare someone adequately.

This coming from someone that had a shodan in goju ryu and a nidan in shito ryu before taking up muay thai and kyokushin. I currently am a nidan in kyokushin working on my sandan.

I will never go back to my USANKF/WKF kumite days.