parkerlineage Posted May 14, 2006 Posted May 14, 2006 I've seen a half dozen threads discussing the merits and hazards of kicking high - generally meaning above stomach/groin level. In the tournament I was in last weekend, in the first round, I faked a low roundhouse with my front leg (left), then, after the guy saw it was a fake and was moving his hands back (he had left forward, too), I threw a right spinning heel hook to his head. I had to catch him, because we think he was temporarily knocked unconcious. And he was wearing a helmet. And I had foam foot-gear on. And I wasn't trying to kill him.To me, that says, if you can throw 'em, use 'em, because I'd so much rather end a fight from a leg's length away than up close and personal or *gulp* on the ground.Humbly submitted;Parkerlineage American Kenpo Karate- First Degree Black Belt"He who hesitates, meditates in a horizontal position."Ed Parker
ps1 Posted May 14, 2006 Posted May 14, 2006 As long as you understand the risks of utilizing these kicks and are capable of handling the possible negative consequences use em. I do. I've caught tons of guys with these types of kicks in my MMA classes. They just don't expect it. It's all about timing and distance. If you've got it...flaunt it. Just be careful. We have a wrestler who just came off an international stint with the USA Greco Roman team. I was setting him up for a kick and slipped on a small bit of sweat. He had me down very fast. But...I knew that type of thing was possible, I was prepared for it, and I put him in guard and went to work. Good kicks (high, low or other wise) are a huge part of my arsenal. Use em' with pride. "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenius."
greenbelt_girl15 Posted May 14, 2006 Posted May 14, 2006 What would risks of high kicks be?Personally I love using high kicks. God has not given us a spirit of fear, but a spirit of love, a spirit of power, and of self-discipline.2 Timothy 1:7
parkerlineage Posted May 14, 2006 Author Posted May 14, 2006 What would risks of high kicks be? Balance is slightly compromised, at least more than both feet lower; there is likely to be a bit less power than if you kick lower; it takes longer for your leg to get back down after the kick (not a problem if the guy's unconcious); your groin is waaaaaay exposed (dang Kenpoists ).But, risk vs. reward (thank you SGM Parker), I couldn't agree more with ps1. If you've got it...flaunt it. Just be careful. American Kenpo Karate- First Degree Black Belt"He who hesitates, meditates in a horizontal position."Ed Parker
bushido_man96 Posted May 15, 2006 Posted May 15, 2006 Many people don't give the high kicks the merit that they deserve. There are risks inherent in using them, but that goes for any technique used in fighting. One must appreciate the skill involved in using high kicks skillfuly in both tournament and self-defense situations.Anybody can go out and slug away, but it takes practice, patience, practice, and practice to be able to perform high kicks successfully on a skilled opponent. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com
Brandon Fisher Posted May 15, 2006 Posted May 15, 2006 If you can throw them proficently and accurately with a lot of speed and power they work. However not everyone in fact not the majority of people are that proficent at the high kicking level. Brandon FisherSeijitsu Shin Do
Whitefeather Posted May 15, 2006 Posted May 15, 2006 What would risks of high kicks be?As wisely spoken by all others, if you are VERY good at high kicks, they can be useful, but, on the other hand, if the big bad ugly dude that is trying to kill you for your wallet is well acquainted with the art of catching kicks, than it is very unlikely that--no matter how good you are at high kicks--you will be capable of throwing a high kick without it being caught, and, consequently, you going down very very rapidly, and probably quite hard, to. Whew, that was a long sentance.DavidPSSorry, but I am not quite in a mood for proofreading (something to do with a certain eight page paper that is due soon), so y'all will have to slog through my terribly wordy, long winded, and.......wait....nevermind. "Between genius and insanity, there lies a fine line. I like to think of it as the tip of the diving board."-An anonymous insane genius"Fight I, not as one that beateth the air"
elbows_and_knees Posted May 15, 2006 Posted May 15, 2006 I agree, use them if you can. The thing here though is that from the sounds of it, this was a point sparring tournament. I use them too when I compete in full contact, even thought the danger of using them there is much greater than point fighting. However, I don't use them in MMA. The ruleset allowed should define which tactics you use. in MMA, high kicks are more likely to result in you getting taken down. That is highly possible in the street as well.
parkerlineage Posted May 15, 2006 Author Posted May 15, 2006 n MMA, high kicks are more likely to result in you getting taken down. That is highly possible in the street as well.throwing a high kick without it being caught, and, consequently, you going down very very rapidly, and probably quite hard, toSetup, setup, setup!That's the key. People throw high kicks as a lead in, but you've got to fake, circle, change up your timing, lead with hands or low kicks...I have the biggest problem with my students trying to throw head kicks or spinning kicks straight out of the gate. Setup! American Kenpo Karate- First Degree Black Belt"He who hesitates, meditates in a horizontal position."Ed Parker
cross Posted May 15, 2006 Posted May 15, 2006 To me, that says, if you can throw 'em, use 'em, because I'd so much rather end a fight from a leg's length away than up close and personal or *gulp* on the ground. The problem is that most fights start up close and personal, not at the same distance you would start at in a tournament.
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