My update on bigrokido

[Taikudo-ka]

Hehe Well Bon, as an Aussie, you must know that some hardened drinkers can become violent, aggressive and desensitized to pain long before they hit the stumbling, clumsy, easy to defeat stage.

 

Plus you never know what else they've consumed with it...

 

Still, I'll agree that the response was on the extreme side... I guess it'd depend on variables like the size and weight of the two parties, state of drunkeness (tipsy? aggressive? blind stumbling?), even the force of the punch (was it a light push or a full force haymaker at your head?)

 

I'd want to weigh all these things myself before I made a final verdict.

[shadowboxer]

he said which he managed to avoid, not easily avoided. for all we know the guy threw a jab and then charged him. when i've got a couple of shots of vodka in me, i'm quicker, more limber, focused, agressive, and pain is non existent. i've been told i'm twice as hard to take down. i'm pretty sure this guy wasn't pissey drunk.

[Big Up]

Here's the thing: The jury would-a heard a lot more testimony than just the one side Jack Spratt has summed up in these few words.

 

The jury found him guilty.

 

(Granted it could-a been a travesty of justice, but I'm guessing it was probably a fair trial.)

 

And I'm also sure the judge took all the testimony into account, in giving a light sentence... The judge probably hoped Jack S. would learn a valuable lesson, and not ever appear in court again, under similar circumstances.

 

Those of youse who are makin' up justifications for Jack's actions: How is he gonna learn from this experience, as long as he feels he was justified in his response...?

 

Anywho... To me, the bigger question is where does Jack S. go from here...? But that's just me.

[kicker]

Well It was a bit wrong to beat up a drunk man but you could have pushed him out or call the police just so that nothing bad would have happened.

 

But you know your not sure what to do so you did what you did.

 

 

[El Guerrero Loco]

That guilty call was a complete load of F-ing bull...He friggin swung for u...destroy him, je tried to hurt u, F him up, ferget reasonable force, he wasn't using reasonable force was he? The "law" needs to get a friggin life, as does ppl who would criticize someone who defended themselves, against a drunk or not. Now if he was on the ground and you kept on stomping him...that's another story, but you didn't. Someone posted earlier and said something like "its like pulling a shotgun on someone who pulled a knife on you" well i say they deserve it. A knife is a deadly weapon, they prolly have the intent to kill you(whether under the influence or not) BLAST 'EM! How many of you have had ppl try to kill you with a knife? As much as one may rebuke another for feeling the need to ensure their surival from the safety of their home computer....nevermind. Hey no offense to whoever said that, i juss think if someone wants to fight me, fine. If he's way more powerful...then groin shot, knee cap shots, eye gouges are they way its prolly gonna go But if they pull a deadly weapon on me....their done...(providing i can defeat them) lol, we; there's my 2 cents

 

 

[ckdstudent]

Reasonable force involves no more force than they have used, or the bare minimum required to restrain them. You'd probably have got away with just the one blow as a response, but following it up with a knee would be considered vindictive (whether the assumption is justified or not) as it suggests that he was already on his way down. I'd imagine that the charge over here would have been IABH (Intended Actual Bodily Harm) rather than IGBH.

 

The thing is juries are supposed to take into account that reasonable force is hard to judge in these situations, but they often seem to believe that martial arts training should stop you feeling the effects of adrenaline.

 

 

[Lau gar]

what are you going to do now try and teach the arts somewhere else

 

 

[Don Gwinn]

If anyone ever pulls a knife on me while I'm armed, he will see the wrong end of a Glock 30. There is nothing immoral in this. I am not obligated to get all cut up and possibly killed just to save some thug from his own stupidity in attacking me. If he doesn't like finding that he attacked the wrong person, he could do what I do: don't attack ANYBODY!

 

This is not complicated. As the defender you have every right to incapacitate your attacker to the point that he is no longer a threat.

 

Thinking that you can or must take it easy because you're a martial arts master and your attacker is just a sloppy drunk is what gets martial arts masters killed by sloppy drunks.

[Don Gwinn]

I almost forgot to ask--what is Bigrokido?