Hart Posted April 26, 2006 Posted April 26, 2006 I was surfing the Internet and came across a video showing Shaolin monks practicing forms. I noticed that a lot of their strikes and stances looked nearly identical to Karate. The only differences I could see was that their forms looked more sped up and had more acrobatic aspects. Is Karate simply a more "comprehensive" form of Kung Fu or is it an art all on its own? Like to hear some thoughts on this.
elbows_and_knees Posted April 26, 2006 Posted April 26, 2006 kung fu is actually a more comprehensive karate. karate came to japan from okinawa and it came to okinawa from china.shorin ryu - shorin = shaolin.much has changed, so there are a lot of differences between okinawan, chinese and korean arts, but there are fundamental similarities that exist in pretty much all arts.
Sohan Posted April 26, 2006 Posted April 26, 2006 Karate is to Kung Fu like you are to your parents. Many similarities, of course, but with your own adaptations to your environment and preferences. As a way of fighting passes generation to generation and across cultural divides, it changes to reflect that culture's needs and values.I have read several masters who say that there is no such thing as fighting styles, just different expressions of the same way of fighting. Respectfully,Sohan "If I cannot become one of extraordinary accomplishment, I will not walk the earth." Zen Master Nakahara Nantenbo"A man who has attained mastery of an art reveals it in his every action." Samuarai maxim"Knowing others is wisdom; knowing yourself is Enlightenment." Lao-Tzu
Hart Posted April 26, 2006 Author Posted April 26, 2006 Never thought about martial arts that way before. Well said!
Zatoichi Posted April 27, 2006 Posted April 27, 2006 Sohan deserves poster of the month For what shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and suffer the loss of his soul?Mark 8:36
ps1 Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 Sohan...you took the words out out of my mouth. Extremely well put. Thank you for such a great post. "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenius."
Sohan Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 Thanks for the nice words. Respectfully,Sohan "If I cannot become one of extraordinary accomplishment, I will not walk the earth." Zen Master Nakahara Nantenbo"A man who has attained mastery of an art reveals it in his every action." Samuarai maxim"Knowing others is wisdom; knowing yourself is Enlightenment." Lao-Tzu
patusai Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 Karate is to Kung Fu like you are to your parents. Many similarities, of course, but with your own adaptations to your environment and preferences. As a way of fighting passes generation to generation and across cultural divides, it changes to reflect that culture's needs and values.I have read several masters who say that there is no such thing as fighting styles, just different expressions of the same way of fighting. Respectfully,SohanI liked that comparison...as for the last sentence...I agree....we are all one big family with different ways "Don't tell me the sky's the limit because I have seen footprints on the moon!" -- Paul Brandt
jaymac Posted April 30, 2006 Posted April 30, 2006 Sohan, you do have a great insight to the MA. A great martial artist is one who is humble and respectful of others.
Adam Posted May 3, 2006 Posted May 3, 2006 I was surfing the Internet and came across a video showing Shaolin monks practicing forms. I noticed that a lot of their strikes and stances looked nearly identical to Karate. The only differences I could see was that their forms looked more sped up and had more acrobatic aspects. Is Karate simply a more "comprehensive" form of Kung Fu or is it an art all on its own? Like to hear some thoughts on this.Yes, Shaolin Kung Fu is the considered the "roots" of all martial arts. So yeah naurally some techinques are straight from the shaolin style. However, I think there seems to be "internal" wars if you will among different styles of MA. For Shaolin the great debate is the "shaolin is wushu" for some. The acrobatics is mainly the wushu aspect of shaolin but I do want to say that there still is traditional shaolin kung fu from the shaolin temple. The sad part is that there seems to be so many scams and internal war among the shaolin community.I think for the Karatekas we are faced with the debate is what we are learning traditional or watered down versions of the style. The "Mc dojos" keep popping up around every corner and pass off cross trained styles as traditional.
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