Submissions on the street

[Jiffy]

Essentially, you can take it to what is needed based on the situation. If a hold is enough to stop the threat, then you just hold them. If it requires you to break an arm, then so be it.

[shogeri]

Snap and go, baby....snap and go.

Multiple opponents demand such, and one should never assume that you have only one opponent.

[Jersey Devil]

One should also never assume they can fight multiple people at once.

[bushido_man96]

That is a good question.

I have very little submission experience. Don't think I would even try. If you go to the ground, most like someone else is going to bail out their buddy.

Maybe aikido would be good for multiples? The redirections maybe? Don't know, correct me if I have seen too many Segal movies.

[Sohan]

One should also never assume they can fight multiple people at once.

Agreed. But it's easier than most people think.

Respectfully,

Sohan

[ps1]

The object of any self defense technique...submission or otherwise...is not to "mangle" the opponent. It is to keep the opponent from "mangling" you.

That said...if I felt it necessary to "mangle" the limb...so be it. Chances are, however, after breaking one limb, their violent reaction would lead to another opening. If the attacker kept coming he would likely end up with more than one broken limb. Probably made to pass out from a choke or strangle.

Of course...this only goes for the "life and death" situations. Not for drunk Uncle Eddie at the wedding reception:)

[elbows_and_knees]

The object of any self defense technique...submission or otherwise...is not to "mangle" the opponent. It is to keep the opponent from "mangling" you.

That said...if I felt it necessary to "mangle" the limb...so be it. Chances are, however, after breaking one limb, their violent reaction would lead to another opening. If the attacker kept coming he would likely end up with more than one broken limb. Probably made to pass out from a choke or strangle.

Of course...this only goes for the "life and death" situations. Not for drunk Uncle Eddie at the wedding reception:)

wow... that seems completely backward to me. you break one limb, he keeps coming, THEN you choke him out?

choke him out from the beginning. He's out long enough to get away, and you didn't have to break anything. Also, choking him unconscious is most likely not considered using lethal force, so it would stand up in court. Consequently, you don't have to only use it in life or death situations. I choke people nightly at work. It's my restraint of choice.

[elbows_and_knees]

That is a good question.

I have very little submission experience. Don't think I would even try. If you go to the ground, most like someone else is going to bail out their buddy.

If they have a buddy. that's an assumption people make based on trends. But it's not necessarily the norm and depends on the environment you are in. I've gone to the ground - in multiple attacker situations - and I've only been hit while on the ground once... and that once was by a cop, not one of the guy's buddies.

Maybe aikido would be good for multiples? The redirections maybe? Don't know, correct me if I have seen too many Segal movies.

I dunno... the way I see aikido trained in some schools, it's not good for much of anything. From what I'm told, you will have to be training it for years before you understand it well enough to fight with it.

[jedimc]

Well Aikido was designed for multiple attackers, the real challenge for some is finding a teacher that will be able to teach this style of fighting, imo there is 2 types of Aikido - good and bad.

techniques can be big and and take up alot of room and/or they can be small and very fast, it would be good to learn both of these ways but its you choice to which one u use on the street, when learning Aikido techniques think of them as tools that can be used for different situations, just because you have been taught a technique a specific way doesn't mean you have to use it this way as you never will do your teachers Aikido as he/she have different body types and a different state of mind.

With this we must understand why we are learning the art for fun, fitness or to be able to save your own life and others in dangerous times.

[UseoForce]

Well Aikido was designed for multiple attackers, the real challenge for some is finding a teacher that will be able to teach this style of fighting, imo there is 2 types of Aikido - good and bad.

techniques can be big and and take up alot of room and/or they can be small and very fast, it would be good to learn both of these ways but its you choice to which one u use on the street, when learning Aikido techniques think of them as tools that can be used for different situations, just because you have been taught a technique a specific way doesn't mean you have to use it this way as you never will do your teachers Aikido as he/she have different body types and a different state of mind.

With this we must understand why we are learning the art for fun, fitness or to be able to save your own life and others in dangerous times.

Aren't aikido techniques inherently "big" compared to Japanese Jiu-jitsu (i.e. hapkido) techniques? (circles vs. arcs?)

I like my Japanese Jiu-jitsu/aikido style techniques, but I have to say, in a real fight, I'd trust my kickboxing/BJJ skills. I would never exclude JJJ or aikido style technqiues because I know a handful that are really good and I have no trouble applying against a resisting partner. However, I gotta trust what I've used most in sparring.