Question about Martial Arts with a lot of joint locks?

[jaymac]

No matter what style of fighting/martial art one chooses, if you do not practice or become effective in your technique, you could get truly hurt by an attacker. You could still get really hurt even if you are the best martial artist in the world. Sure, practicing locks, grappling, etc... while in a controlled environment looks fun and effective, try taking that same battle out on the street against someone with a weapon, or is hopped up on methamphetamines or pcp (which makes an attacker almost invincible to pain). My personal choice is to not allow this individual to get me to the ground. I am going to do whatever possible to defend myself in a hopefully stand up situation and get away from this individual. I do not want to be in the grasps of this person for a long period of tim, where my chances of becoming injured or trying to fend of him and some of his buddies increases.

[Brandon Fisher]

I am a firm believer that to apply a joint lock the attacker must be caught off guard and off balance or must be struck with a kick or a hand strike of some sort to setup the locks. So I agree a mix of striking, kicking, grappling and locking is really the best bet. Knowledge of all these better your chances in a reality situation. Especially if you don't want to stand and duke it out with someone.

[bushido_man96]

I am hoping to get a job as a jailor here in a few weeks (Interview this Tuesday). For legal reasons, I am not going to be able to attack resisting inmates with my fists. I am going to have to brush up on my joint locking skills.

In the street, I prefer to fight with my hands, if they are free. I kind of like the Kenpo guy's interpretation. If somebody grabs me somewhere, I am going to punch them first, and then maybe punch them again, and if they still haven't let go, I will either try a joint lock, or punch them again.

Joint locking has its uses, as I am sure to find out shortly, but I am not going to stand there and get my face handed back to me because I am trying to work some guy into an arm bar.

[elbows_and_knees]

I am hoping to get a job as a jailor here in a few weeks (Interview this Tuesday). For legal reasons, I am not going to be able to attack resisting inmates with my fists. I am going to have to brush up on my joint locking skills.

try holds rather than locks, they are easier to apply and can make it easier to move your advesary around quickly. I use the rear naked choke and both the full and half nelson all the time, as well as some other holds.

[Menjo]

try holds rather than locks, they are easier to apply and can make it easier to move your advesary around quickly. I use the rear naked choke and both the full and half nelson all the time, as well as some other holds.

Just Out of curiosity,Have you ever found a hold didn't work for you at a certain time in real life? What did you then do?

[Brandon Fisher]

The problem with joint locks is if you break a bone then there can also be legal issues with it also. I agree with using holds in security of any type. Joint locks are second option in my mind.

[Mtal]

I am hoping to get a job as a jailor here in a few weeks (Interview this Tuesday). For legal reasons, I am not going to be able to attack resisting inmates with my fists. I am going to have to brush up on my joint locking skills.

try holds rather than locks, they are easier to apply and can make it easier to move your advesary around quickly. I use the rear naked choke and both the full and half nelson all the time, as well as some other holds.

elbows_and_knees, you rang a bell for me, there was something else I was thinking about when I put up this joint lock post. I forgot about holds. I do feel I can probably apply then better than joint locks. What styles would I take to learn these?

Thanks everyone, I kind of had this feeling about joint locks from my experiences, but wanted to hear about what more experienced people thought of it.

[bushido_man96]

I am hoping to get a job as a jailor here in a few weeks (Interview this Tuesday). For legal reasons, I am not going to be able to attack resisting inmates with my fists. I am going to have to brush up on my joint locking skills.

try holds rather than locks, they are easier to apply and can make it easier to move your advesary around quickly. I use the rear naked choke and both the full and half nelson all the time, as well as some other holds.

Thanks, elbows_and_knees, that is a good point. I didn't think to differentiate between holds and locks, but you make a good distingquishment.

I'll keep that in mind.

[ShoreiSmurf]

Hey: elbows_and_knees It looks like we meet again... lol

You do make a great point, holds can be more effective to control and move your opponent around. One thing to remember about joint locking, is everyone feels them different. It is just the way our nerv-systems are. I have seen too many times in fights that someone locks up a wrist to submit their attacker, and the attacker just smiles and knocks the crap out of them. At times, the attacker has to go and get his wrist x-rayed a few days later because the guy broke his wrist. Other times, they mock the MA world for allowing students to use such a stupid hold. From my experiences: far too often joint locks are for only the most experienced of artist, and even than they are used with caustion

However: I do enjoy learning them and training with them. just for the pleasure of doing them, but in a fight I am using striking and grappling.

[Brandon Fisher]

One of my black belts is like that I have seen some top instructors use joint locks on her and she just stands there and smiles.