Yasutsune Makoto Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 I think the reason it's hard for you to tell the difference is because they are the same action, only different rotations. Both are a crescent kick followed by a jumping spin back kick.in unsu the jump is supposed to be a jumping spinning back it before you land but to this day i have never ever seen anybody achieve it not even master kanazawa sensei 10th dan.Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean...but i'm pretty sure Kanazawa can do it. I'm pretty sure that I have seen quite a number of people do it. Maybe our definitions of achieve are different. View the Unsu from this page, you should see how it is done here. But maybe you are looking for something different, please let me know. http://www.shotokan-arts.com/katavid.htm Gi, Yu, Rei, Jin, Makoto, Melyo, Chugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ps1 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 This is how I've seen most people do it and how I perform it as well. However, I was always told that the trail (left) leg should "snap" out more for an arial back kick. Does that make sense? "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenius." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasutsune Makoto Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 ahhh...i see what you mean. Ya, i've examined that as well in my own kata and my idea is that it simply doesn't look like it snaps out as hard as it does due to everything else that is going on. One day i'd like to get someone to let me hit them with it and see if they think it does anything...idea!If you need to get more snap on that, why not hit something? Doesn't your body find a way to maximize impact and perform at it's peak when you strike something. Like the punch is taken to a whole new level when students begin to strike a target as opposed to just air. Any ideas on how to do that? Gi, Yu, Rei, Jin, Makoto, Melyo, Chugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ps1 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 One day i'd like to get someone to let me hit them with it and see if they think it does anything...idea!Yeah. I don't think there's much on it either. Too much rotation and not enough linear motion for an effective back kick.If you need to get more snap on that, why not hit something? Doesn't your body find a way to maximize impact and perform at it's peak when you strike something. Like the punch is taken to a whole new level when students begin to strike a target as opposed to just air. Any ideas on how to do that?Honestly, I think it was added or altered sometime a while back. The movement doesn't really make alot of sense and doesn't fit with the rest of the kata well. If anyone else can shed some light on this I would really appreciate it. Does anyone here know alot about the history of Unsu and the jump therein? "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenius." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOM Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 It is nothing more than a jump. It has no practical application.The original versions of the "jump" is an arm bar. The left hand blocks an attack, kick behind the knee with your right foot and take the person down with an arm bar. If you want to go even further, you can hold the person down with your knee on the elbow joint and pull the arm up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patusai Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Original kata had no jumping movements, these were added for a sporting element. If you look back at some of the old kata, you will have a better understanding of the aplications. As far as "kick an opponent from behind you and immediately drop to face the front for an oncoming attacker", that would only work in movies.I agree the comment about original kata for the most part. Maybe I'm confused again but the drop in Kanku (since the kata is a night fight kata) was to drop to use the little light of the horizon to find your opponent. As for the spinning technique in Unsu ( learned a version similart to one in Shito ryu and the one that I learned was not a 360 it was more of a ground attach kick. Perhaps these 360s were additions for sport application or by an instructors preference that got passed on so I don't know. "Don't tell me the sky's the limit because I have seen footprints on the moon!" -- Paul Brandt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymac Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Again, everyone's bunkai is going to be a little different. I enjoyed reading the different variations however. We do not practice that kick as a aeriel kick in kanku sho however. Crescent kick to rear and drop. I have seen it performed on some online versions as a flying kick though. Looks nice, but I like our version better. A great martial artist is one who is humble and respectful of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ps1 Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 It is nothing more than a jump. It has no practical application.The original versions of the "jump" is an arm bar. The left hand blocks an attack, kick behind the knee with your right foot and take the person down with an arm bar. If you want to go even further, you can hold the person down with your knee on the elbow joint and pull the arm up.I agree that this makes sence. As a matter of fact...I really like this version of the bunkai. It really fits in with the Aiki Jujitsu stuff I already do. Thanks GOM Perhaps these 360s were additions for sport application or by an instructors preference that got passed on so I don't know.I would be likely to agree with this theory also. "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenius." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOM Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 Maybe I'm confused again but the drop in Kanku (since the kata is a night fight kata) was to drop to use the little light of the horizon to find your opponent.What is a night kata? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathal Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 Maybe I'm confused again but the drop in Kanku (since the kata is a night fight kata) was to drop to use the little light of the horizon to find your opponent.What is a night kata?A kata which can be used in low light situations. .The best victory is when the opponent surrendersof its own accord before there are any actualhostilities...It is best to win without fighting.- Sun-tzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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