streetfight techniques.. real combinations

[elbows_and_knees]

eh, what if they have friends? MMA often goes to the ground in grappling style, but irl.... your opponent's buddy/buddies will be comming at you with broken bottles and multiple fists.

the buddies thing is WAY over used. I have been to the ground several times in bar fights - heck, I took someone down and restrained him with a kimura last saturday - and was never touched by anyone. And he had friends with him. There have been other times when there are no friends around. Also, we were on jagged concrete, not the smooth, wooden club floor, as we were outside.

second, mma doesn't "often go to the ground" - it goes where the pratcitioner feels he can best handle the situation. If I feel I have a better chance while standing, I keep it standing. If I need to be on the ground, i take it there.

[elbows_and_knees]

It seems like everybody wants to talk about theories. Im really looking for someone to share with me their real life experiences. Ive heard the theories but they have never been able to be applied to me or have seen them in action on the street. It may be said that a technique works in the dojo but under a streetfight situation your body and mind behave differently. Im only relaying what i have experienced personally in the dojo and on the street. To me defending myself has been a lifetime goal that i am still trying to perfect.

Yes i have the experience and i have been taught properly. I always portray myself as a student as i am now.

Does anyone want to share their real life experiences on the street so all of us as students can learn something from your experience.

see my above post about what works for some may not work for others.

[Jp656]

ALl this long talk, LIsten here, Im not that expereinced and even i like a good fight, I think its rong to fight someone against there will, But its still something you might have to do, Anyhow most people around me like a good fight as well so theres no one who really doesnt wanna fight me, besides, Street fighting is one of the best ways to gain expereicene, Dont learn from a dojo if your not gonna use the stuff

[Ottman]

To me defending myself has been a lifetime goal that i am still trying to perfect.

Yes i have the experience and i have been taught properly. I always portray myself as a student as i am now.

Does anyone want to share their real life experiences on the street so all of us as students can learn something from your experience.

If you're still trying to perfect your self defense, and you already have the experience and have been taught properly, you should have no reason to fight. You should be able to use your mind, your speech, and your defense to get out of fighting, thus effectively defending yourself from aggression. 'Enticing' someone to fight is not defense, it is looking for trouble. I'll give you some of my real life defense experiences:

1. As a sophomore in highschool, I was 15 and had my 1st dan in TKD. I didn't really have any enemies, but there were those who were curious to test my skill. I was often 'confronted' by guys who wanted to see if they could 'handle' me. My strategy was to allow them to attack me, and simply block, and dodge their attacks until they got tired, or looked foolish and gave up. I guess I never fought any wrestlers, 'cus luckily, no one ever tried to take me down, but I resloved the fight without striking or using any offensive techniques.

2. At a party while I was in college, I noticed two guys, one of whom was brandishing a knife, and they were talking about somebody's boy needing a lesson in something or other, and started looking at another dude accross the room. They noticed that I had noticed them, and came over to inquire as to whether I had a problem or not. I had noticed that the guy with the knife had a jacket with Bruce Lee pictured on the back, so I told him I noticed his jacket and liked it, and we got into a lengthy convo about Bruce, and martial arts in general. The other guy accross the room they had been 'stalking' eventually left the party, and the other two guys and I began drinking heavily and had a great time. Yet again I successfully defended myself, and this time the possibility of someone else getting hurt too, all without a strike or an attack being thrown by anyone.

Remember, defense is knowing how not to fight. It's easy to get heated or get someone else heated and cause a fight, but try stopping or preventing one: this is a whole other challenge.

[Menjo]

Those stories were fun to read! Thanks

[Treebranch]

You cant beat mma for the real street fight effect. It has all the components of streetfighting that i have seen and been involved in but they are better at it. Most of us cant train as hard or as long as they do and cant commit to combat fighting as seriously as them.

If it works use it......... my point is a simple reverse punch should work but not if your hand isnt capable of landing a strong punch bareknuckle.

A karate chop to the neck i still read in books will end a fight.

I can go on and on.......

Most people are deluded in what their abilities really are. Not their fault, they have been taught to believe that. But if put to the test in a streetfight or an all out mma contest you get a pretty good idea of what u can do.

The idea of this subject is to share other experiences, because u cant argue with the real situation. It was tested.

MMA events are not real situations. A street fight and being attacked by a complete stranger with a knife who wants rob you is another. A gang member picking a fight with you in front of his buddies means you are going to get jumped and no amount of MMA training is going to do a damn thing to get you out of that. The problem with MMA competitive training is that it works great against another person who wants to pridefully prove themselves, it trains you for a particular scenario. Real life is unpredictable and more than likely when a weapon is involved the BJJ and Muy Thai are not styles that prepare you to deal with any kind of weapon. Especially when the person with the weapon really knows how to use it. I've fought in the street and I was lucky nobody pulled a weapon on me or I'd probably be dead by now. I do agree with your Karate chop statement by the way. Why doesn't anyone use that strike in UFC or Pride or whatever? There are so many ways to hurt someone and so many styles of MA's that do in fact work great for the street. Any MA that teaches you do deal with all levels fighting, stand-up grappling, striking, groundfighting, evasion and escape techniques, weapons and disarms is far more realistic than stepping into the ring. Confidence goes a long way for anything we do, but pride will get you killed.

[UseoForce]

You cant beat mma for the real street fight effect. It has all the components of streetfighting that i have seen and been involved in but they are better at it. Most of us cant train as hard or as long as they do and cant commit to combat fighting as seriously as them.

If it works use it......... my point is a simple reverse punch should work but not if your hand isnt capable of landing a strong punch bareknuckle.

A karate chop to the neck i still read in books will end a fight.

I can go on and on.......

Most people are deluded in what their abilities really are. Not their fault, they have been taught to believe that. But if put to the test in a streetfight or an all out mma contest you get a pretty good idea of what u can do.

The idea of this subject is to share other experiences, because u cant argue with the real situation. It was tested.

MMA events are not real situations. A street fight and being attacked by a complete stranger with a knife who wants rob you is another. A gang member picking a fight with you in front of his buddies means you are going to get jumped and no amount of MMA training is going to do a damn thing to get you out of that. The problem with MMA competitive training is that it works great against another person who wants to pridefully prove themselves, it trains you for a particular scenario. Real life is unpredictable and more than likely when a weapon is involved the BJJ and Muy Thai are not styles that prepare you to deal with any kind of weapon. Especially when the person with the weapon really knows how to use it. I've fought in the street and I was lucky nobody pulled a weapon on me or I'd probably be dead by now. I do agree with your Karate chop statement by the way. Why doesn't anyone use that strike in UFC or Pride or whatever? There are so many ways to hurt someone and so many styles of MA's that do in fact work great for the street. Any MA that teaches you do deal with all levels fighting, stand-up grappling, striking, groundfighting, evasion and escape techniques, weapons and disarms is far more realistic than stepping into the ring. Confidence goes a long way for anything we do, but pride will get you killed.

A chopping style strike to the neck is not allowed in the UFC.

Also, you can't really say the UFC does not simulate a street fight and then go on to question the street effectiveness of a technique because you don't see it in the UFC.

MMA events are not street fights, but MMA training has MANY important principles that MUST be incorporated into self-defense training.

Again, I beg everyone at this forum to read "Mastering Jujitsu" by Renzo Gracie for an in depth discussion on this very topic.

[Treebranch]

Certain training methods used in MMA are great, but there are many scenarios they don't train you for. The big problem is that people need to understand that the real weapon is your brain or mind. If you believe in your training and don't abandon it as soon as something didn't go the way you wanted it to, you'd probably survive the situation just fine. I think learn Groundfighting is essential for any style to incorporate if that style doesn't have it. If you don't have the mindset to trust your training and to train for every possible scenario and also to be willing to do whatever it takes to stop someone from harming you, your training is unrealistic. Ask yourself the question, "What wouldn't I do to a person in a fight?" If you have certain things you wouldn't do to a person attacking you "for real", then you are probably a good person with certain social expectations when it pertains to fighting. Survival and Fighting are different. The things you would do to survive are things that pride should not be a part of. The things you do in fighting are usually based in pride. I can tell from a mile away if someone has had training and if they attack me I will do "whatever" it takes to stop them. Most people don't train for that. They train to knock out someone or submit someone which is pretty humane if you really think about it. I remember when kicking was seen as unfair in a fight when I was a kid. There are certain things people won't do in a fight because of how it may look to others and or if it doesn't follow certain norms or trends. I have alot of respect for what the Gracies did, but they train for a specific scenario of unarmed fighting.

If it works, use it! I like that, but sometimes it takes more training and patience to make things work. Sometimes you have to make 100 mistakes before you can get good at something. I would say that just because a MA is user friendly doesn't mean it's better. One just takes longer to get good at and master. They are all great anyway.

[Menjo]

MMA events are not street fights, but MMA training has MANY important principles that MUST be incorporated into self-defense training.

Yes and no, every styles different, and the "principles" that are important like hard work and stuff, were already thought of way back. Thats like saying if I take traditional Tai Chi, to be successful in self defense I MUST go hit the bags every monday. They dont, and depending, it can be successful, yet most MMA consider hitting the bags an important principle. If you had been more specific, I would've understood.

These "must be" incorporated principles were already thought of and were either indeed incorporated or not, were due to what the Master had wanted in thier style.

Every style says work hard...does this make this principle a MMA principle?...

According to this then, you're saying without the NEW made MMA principles, someone would get into serious trouble, putting aside the obvious principles that everyone knows and trains in.

[jbbcj]

This is a situation that is hard to train for...

got into a fight at a party slipped his punch, punched him back. Said he would be back.

2 hours later i hear yelling outside the hall. I open the door and 20 odd blokes standing in a line in halloween costumes. They were holding lengths of wood and empty bottles. My 2 buddies were trying to resolve the issue. All they wanted was the guy with the striped shirt.

So i walked out with my striped shirt and did i cop it. Peice of wood split in two over my nose, 6 beer bottles smashed over my head, the last one thrown from about 5 metres away. I still got up and walked away. looked like the elephant man at the hospital.

This was a friends family party. They walked in the hall and started beating mothers, fathers, Grandmothers and Grandfathers, women, left the kids.

whats the point u say.

1. dont underestimate your opponent. he maybe easy or he may be absolutely brutal.

2. It can take a hell of a beating to keep a man down.