BJJ + Judo = crazy grapplier?

[TJS]

would hardly say that I would find myself in a situation against grapplers where 99% of my striking skills wouldn't work.

If you have ever been mounted (especially by a skilled grappler) it's vey difficult to strike back with anything effective..especially without exposing yourself to more danger.

Sure a good striker can do damage with elbows and knees from the top but If you fighting a grappler then it's not very likely that you will be on top now is it?

[elbows_and_knees]

IMO, grappling is a necessary skill agianst multiple opponents. First of all, grappling training can help prevent you from being taken down. Second, if you can restrain one opponent with grappling skills, he can be used as a barrier or just quickly put out of comission.

possibly. Like i stated in my thread on the general forum abut the big fight, when I choked the one guy, his buddies came up behind me. I couldn't use him as a shield. since his blows didn't hurt, I just went a head and choked his friend out, ignoring him.

[Jersey Devil]

In terms of Judo vs Wrestling, I often advocate wrestling over Judo, for the simple fact that the simply objective is to get your opponent down in wrestling- no matter how pretty or ugly it looks.

Judo, on the other hand, focuses on the ippon and as a result neglects many other important techniques that work so effectively in taking people down (i.e. single and double leg takedowns). As a result, many Judoka defend poorly against double and single leg takedowns.

This is just with respect to the takedowns aspect of the fight- I believe Judo to be a more complete style due to the use of submissions, but submissions were outlawed in wrestling when it became an Olympic sport- Catch Wrestling I would hold in higher esteem than Judo.

Now, all that being said, I wouldnt say that wrestling is always better than Judo in terms of takedowns- a very good example is the recent fight in Pride between Pride Champion Fedor Emilianenko and kickboxer Mirko Cro Cop. Cro Cop has unbelievable takedown defense, which stems primarily from the sprawl and classic BJJ bearhug defense. This works quite well when someone is shooting in for doubles and singles, but the Judo game brought a different set of techniques to the table which Mirko was unable to defend against with the same effectiveness he did against wrestling oriented takedowns. This is a growing trend in MMA as clinchwork proves to be more and more vital in fights. Judo and Greco Roman wrestling are becoming rather important as a result.

[elbows_and_knees]

In terms of Judo vs Wrestling, I often advocate wrestling over Judo, for the simple fact that the simply objective is to get your opponent down in wrestling- no matter how pretty or ugly it looks.

Judo, on the other hand, focuses on the ippon and as a result neglects many other important techniques that work so effectively in taking people down (i.e. single and double leg takedowns). As a result, many Judoka defend poorly against double and single leg takedowns.

In general, I agree with that. But like with all of judo's throws, what you use is personal preference. Even before I started bjj, I was using morote gari (double leg) and various other takedowns - ko soto gake, o uchi gari, de ashi barai and others religiously. Not only do I use them to get the guy down, I use them as a set up for the big ippon throws you speak of - harai goshi, seoinage, uchi mata, etc.

[Medici]

It really depends on your BJJ school. You should learn enough of both to get an opponent on the ground. Personally, much as I respect what Judo can do (BJJ I like more, though), I'd go with wrestling. Wrestling will get you take downs with guys who know what they're doing easier and resulting in better positions than Judo will. (Yea, I know, it's a big generality.)

[RicksonFan]

In terms of Judo vs Wrestling, I often advocate wrestling over Judo, for the simple fact that the simply objective is to get your opponent down in wrestling- no matter how pretty or ugly it looks.

Judo, on the other hand, focuses on the ippon and as a result neglects many other important techniques that work so effectively in taking people down (i.e. single and double leg takedowns). As a result, many Judoka defend poorly against double and single leg takedowns.

What he said.

[mmljpp]

yes my sensei has trained in jujitsu and bjj and grecko wrestling and is one of the best grapplers i have ever seen and i have trained in 3 other arts