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How many stance changes?  

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  1. 1. How many stance changes?

    • 10-30
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    • 30-50
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    • 50-70
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I once read actually that for a certain style of kendo, certain samurai to be would have to preform a day long kata which added up to be about 2750movements. Along with other grueling tests, such as in the least grueling test, a 250 consecutive sparring session with the other students, I'm not sure of the details though.

This style doesnt exist I dont think anymore.

It never existed.

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Have also gone thru Nipaipo

Yahh, I am working on Nipaipo as a turnament kata right now, it is definately crazy, and, if I may say so myself, extroadinarily cool, except for the lack of jumps.

The longest kata I do right now-and in my style as far as I know-happens to be Kyoku-Shichidan. I added it up to be about 75 stance changes, with a rather difficult to count, and, quite coincidently, very very large number of hand movements. I have heard that it is decently longer than Suparempi (I hope that is spelled without pungent error :( ). I also do a certain crane kata called Haku Tsuro Kumimora (which I would presume is the same as "Kunimura no Hakutsuru"), and I KNOW that it is not longer than Kyoku Shichidan or Suparempi, so y'all and meeself are probably using different measuring method. For the record, I know the longest kata :brow: .

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Hey johnnymac, you should upload that video!

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Kendo (or rather kenjutsu) doesn't have long kata. Generally, kata of koryu bujutsu are very short and usually done with partner. There are some solo kata, but they're very short, too. Long forms are typical to Chinese martial arts, as well as Okinawan arts - which probably took their form concept from Chinese arts.

"Samurai to be" is a weird expression as well. One was born into a samurai class, there wasn't a test included.

Jussi Häkkinen

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ummm ok, I got it from a book so I'm not going to argue it. It might have been just a tale or something.

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Well, it will make you feel better Menjo, it would make a great tale, story, movie or something...

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ummm ok, I got it from a book so I'm not going to argue it. It might have been just a tale or something.

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If the link to the Kunimura no Hakutsuru kata is available that would just warm me to no end. I would really like to see it. The longest kata I know (empty hand) is Kushanku.

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Hakutsuru is the longest kata I have ever seen but one of the most beatuiful to watch when done correctly. I got to see Hanshi George Alexander perfom Hakutsuru on a couple of occasions and I was amazed.

The longest one I know personally is Kanku Dai or in the Okinawan systems Kusanku.

Brandon Fisher

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Hakutsuru is the longest kata I have ever seen but one of the most beatuiful to watch when done correctly. I got to see Hanshi George Alexander perfom Hakutsuru on a couple of occasions and I was amazed.

The longest one I know personally is Kanku Dai or in the Okinawan systems Kusanku.

Gorge Alexander is a very good martial artist but he is not a crane expert , although he does the Hukutsuru kata his hands position has problem. i've never seen anything longer than Hakutsuru kata varients among karate styles.

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Whats the hand position problem? Are we talking about the same George Alexander. The one that is a 9th Dan and learned Hakutsuru on Okinawa historian, author, and owner and producer of Yamazato Videos.

Brandon Fisher

Seijitsu Shin Do

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I'm almost willing to be that Long Form 4 of the American Kenpo Karate system is one of the longest dang kata you'll ever see. It has something like 175+ movements, if I recall correctly.

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