Sparring questions

[blackbelt426]

1.The best place I think to kick the legs in a real fight is the knee. It is the one thing that will keep a person up and when you take that out, they will most deffinetly be down on the ground.

2.I think that both would be equally good. Boxing alone will let you learn certain targt areas on the body on where to strike and straight kickboxing will let you practice what you have learned by yourself.

3. I think its more to it than that, but your pretty much right with the knee and elbow strikes. Thai is more of a cultural way of life in that respect.

4. Like I said in the above one, all will be equally good to practice with. Try a little of each one see what works for you and apply it to shadowboxing (sparring yourself in the mirror), and actual sparring with an apponent.

[Menjo]

I disagree about it being easier to learn, boxing / muay thai techniques are just as complex as any other system and the strategy is just as deep.

Well yes, however I'll reword myself because I choose some bad ones. Re-worded, I meant that Boxing and Muay Thai techniques are not AS awkward or unusal at the beginning in relation to most other traditional systems, I realize theres alot of refining, however to get the basic idea into the basic beginner only takes so much. While other systems, practitioners have difficulty adjusting and actually seeing the point to the techniques taught. I was thinking though that this may just have to do with culture, but ultimatly it seems more compatible...

But the point you did present I do agree with to a certain extent.. I dont think martial arts like Muay Thai dont GENERALY build character in the average way a person would develop character. I use characer as a word for humility and other classical definitions. This is what I also meant by depth including my section above. I hope that makes some sense.

[AndrewGreen]

I'll still disagree

Getting people to throw a proper hook, pivoting, shifting weight to the back foot, etc. It's very akward at first, more so then traditional styles IMO.

[Menjo]

I'll still disagree

Getting people to throw a proper hook, pivoting, shifting weight to the back foot, etc. It's very akward at first, more so then traditional styles IMO.

Then we can go by the classic, agree to disagree saying .

[SubGrappler]

I beleive this is the result of Muay Thai and boxing and some other MMA fiting the average human body type so well, as well with training. Because it is relativly simple to learn and easier to apply and faster to apply than other martial arts, it gets the glory. Somewhere I posted a more a slightly more in depth post on this idea.

As Andrew said, theres so much complexity to these seemingly simply moves.

For example, a jab and a cross are two of the most basic punches to learn, yet why is one fighter such as Chuck Liddel so much more successfull in knocking people out with this simple combination than someone like Matt Hughes or Renato Verrissimo?

Aside from that, the simplest techniques are going to be the ones that are going to work the most effectively in a fight- a straight cross to the jaw is responsible for alot more knockouts than a spinning backfist, and a standard armbar is responsible for more submissions than a flying armbar.

[Menjo]

I beleive this is the result of Muay Thai and boxing and some other MMA fiting the average human body type so well, as well with training. Because it is relativly simple to learn and easier to apply and faster to apply than other martial arts, it gets the glory. Somewhere I posted a more a slightly more in depth post on this idea.

As Andrew said, theres so much complexity to these seemingly simply moves.

For example, a jab and a cross are two of the most basic punches to learn, yet why is one fighter such as Chuck Liddel so much more successfull in knocking people out with this simple combination than someone like Matt Hughes or Renato Verrissimo?

Aside from that, the simplest techniques are going to be the ones that are going to work the most effectively in a fight- a straight cross to the jaw is responsible for alot more knockouts than a spinning backfist, and a standard armbar is responsible for more submissions than a flying armbar.

Well this is looping back to my post of how these systems work for the average public in terms of compatibility.

The message being sent is that I think these movements are not hard to master from me, when obviously they are because there wouldn't be any competitions if it was any different. Now that thats covered, I had never once said that simple moves dont work on the street, Shotokan and in my muay thai experiance both have trained me to rely on basics.

My point is that these arts are generaly quicker to understand and apply.

There movements are very familiar to the public, yet they dont understand the depth. When in comparison to some traditional arts, the public isnt familiar with quite a few movements and dont beleive in the effectivness at all. These moves are not simple, that was not being said, what the overall point was that these moves are the base of which the public base fighting off of in this society. For example for awhile boxing was extremly popular among the average person, they didnt understand the real depth, but growing up with it, they know what to look for in a general sense more than say kenpo.