Punishing students for fighting?

[patusai]

I'd say that if someone repeatedly gets into fights (even if they didn't throw the first punch) then they have no place in a dojo.

However, there's a difference between someone who repeatedly gets into trouble and someone who finds themselves in a situation one time.

I'd say each case needs to be dealt with on an individual basis, rather than applying a 'law' to all such incidents.

I like this idea. Although not the attacker one must learn to...walk away either that or stay away from areas that will put yoiu in a position that you need to fight

[HAPKIDO-KID]

A local boxing club near me kicks students out of the boxing club if they get in a fight at school.

Should martial art schools do this? If not, then what kind of punishment (if any) should a karate school give.

There are two scenarios to my question: one would be a student who was fighting in self-defense, the other would be a student who was starting fights.

I do want to add that in the school systems in my area, ALL students are expelled and arrested who were in the fight. Even if they were sucker punched in the back of the head and did not see who hit them, they still are arrested and expelled. All fighters are punished at school, so should a karate school punish them farther?

AoG

I think that all martial artists should be taught to walk away, but if the student fights in self defense than his training is working! If a student is a bully he should be banned from Martial arts for life, because he is using his skills ti intimidate others, this is not what MA is about!

[jaymac]

We always teach that MA is for self defense, but why should a student sit back and allow someone to strike them. Unfortunately, one cannot control the punishment that a school system bestows on people fighting, but at the dojo, if the student truly was defending themselves, they are not expelled. I think alot of times, you can trust the character of the child if they have been there for awhile.

[Dont call me Sir]

Over the last two years I have had two of my students get into fights. Each time my students came to my house, after the event, and asked to talk with me. I sat down with them, listened to what they had to say and made a decision based on what they told me.

On both occasions they acted in self-defence and within the letter of the law. Also, they didn't bring the Academy into disrepute.

Based on what they said I gave them my advice and chose not to take the matter any further.

I'm the judge and jury in my Academy. They did exactly what I would've done and what they were taught to do.

Both students came away without any physical injuries whatsoever and also became a little wiser. As for the instigators of the physical confrontation, well, they'll think twice in the future.

No two fights are the same. There are always 3 sides to every story; each others and the truth. Base every fight on the merits of those involved and the actions taken, then act appropriately.

DCMS.

[Bushido58266]

IMO, it is up to the dojo to train discipline. if its not their fault for starting the fight then they are doing just what martial arts is about self defense. if it is their fault for starting the fight then the dojo shouldnt kick them out the dojo should try harder to discipline the fighter