What goes well with Kyokushin?

[ivette_green]

I've heard judo and boxing.

But to comment on Meguro's post, kyokushin does deal with joint manipulation and locks. We do go through quite a few wrist reversals and we learned a cool trick that envolved an armbar the other night.

[Meguro]

I've heard judo and boxing.

But to comment on Meguro's post, kyokushin does deal with joint manipulation and locks. We do go through quite a few wrist reversals and we learned a cool trick that envolved an armbar the other night.

You misread my posts. I never said Kyokushin doesn't have these techniques, just that there are other arts that focus on these skills exclusively and in greater detail.

[KyokushinFX]

Where did you train Kyokushin? Oyama trained in Judo and he introduced a few techniques in his books. However, there is no formal grappling instruction in Kyokushin as I know. Your instructor must have introduced the training from other arts.

I think Kyokushin + Boxing + Judo/Wrestling + BJJ is a very good combo.

Does this style have formal grappling instruction within its curricular framework or do you literally mean it takes years to actually see the grappling applications?

Yes, Kyokushin has formal grappling instruction woven into lessons. Its about the only time my dojo get out mats to cover the sprung wooden floor.

Also,

As with any art, I think it takes years to see application.

In the years Ive been learning MA, I still wake up every day and find new application to things I learnt 14years ago.

I don’t think this will ever change.

I think you ment that this style has techniques that do not require the submission techniques suggested already?

Not at all.

Kyokushin contains many techniques from Judo, Jujutsu and Akido.

In fact, techniques like seoi-nage and similar can be found by name in Mas Oyama’s ‘Advanced Karate.’ the small difference is in the way the technique is applied, and the after effects.

My ideas on your statement has a spin. Theoretically most styles I know suggest the learnings of another art is not needed because if you can properly apply your art(say a striking art) then why would you need to take another(grappling). Of course, even I would admit that its quite an extreme view

That is a good point.

What most people are neglecting to realise, probably becuase there only exposure to Kyokushin has been via stand-up tournaments, is that Kyokushin was developed through other martial arts, from Chinese "Kempo" to Judo and even other Karate styles.

Kyokushin is not just a striking art. Its roots go much deeper than simply striking.

If you mean that the bunkai of the Kyokushin kata contain some grappling and joint lock techniques, and that by simply knowing the kata you are somehow a grappling fiend, I disagree.

Thats not what I meant,

sure, kata contains a lot of bunkai that can be interperated as grappling, but there is lot more to Kyokushin than just kata and sparring.

Self-defence techniques are (should be) taught at every lesson. These involve various techniques of things like 'tensho' applied dynamically to an aggressor/opponent. Ie) Attaining a grip on an aggressors wrist, and stepping quickly back into a long stance is enough to dislocate an arm, and bring their head swiftly to waist-height. A much quicker way out of a situation than struggling for 30sec for an arm-bar.

The way I have been trained in Kyokushin, grappling/trapping is a quick means to either snap/shatter/dislocate bones, or to quickly set up for a strike such as a knee or elbow.These are some of the reasons that grappling/clinching are no longer allowed in Kyokushin bear-knuckle tournaments.

There are other arts that better prepare you for grappling than Kyokushin karate, for example jiujistu and Daido Juku (I forget what they like to call themselves these days). Aikido and Judo would also be complementary. If your aim is to be a mma competitor, bjj might be the thing to go with your Kyokushin training.

I strongly agree, but if your going to devote your life to an art, Kyokushin is definitely as good as any.

I didn’t really think of MMA comps when I first replied to be honest.

Cheers.

[Osu No Seichin]

I have trained Kyokushin for close to 30 years and have done "grappling" such as they have in judo and jujitsu since i first started. It is an intricate part of Kyokushin. We train grappling techniques in just about every class and have seminars devoted to the grappling techniques that are a part of Kyokushin. I suggest that maybe you expand your horizons and look to some who have trained Kyokushin before the World tournaments and who's focus is not on tournaments but on training Kyokushin the way it was meant to be trained. I also suggest you get a copy of Advanced Karate and study this text. There are some great websites out there and articles that you should read. Have a look at this one, some great articles here. https://www.kyokushin.ca

Osu

[KyokushinFX]

Do you have any syllabus from Honbu which includes grappling techniques? I am not able to find one.

Thanks

I have trained Kyokushin for close to 30 years and have done "grappling" such as they have in judo and jujitsu since i first started. It is an intricate part of Kyokushin. We train grappling techniques in just about every class and have seminars devoted to the grappling techniques that are a part of Kyokushin. I suggest that maybe you expand your horizons and look to some who have trained Kyokushin before the World tournaments and who's focus is not on tournaments but on training Kyokushin the way it was meant to be trained. I also suggest you get a copy of Advanced Karate and study this text. There are some great websites out there and articles that you should read. Have a look at this one, some great articles here. https://www.kyokushin.ca

Osu

[KyokushinFX]

I never get to train grappling while in Kyokushin and very curious about how you guys train at Honbu in the old day.

Did you guys throw each other on Honbu wooden floor?

Did Sosai remove grappling part out of the official curriculum and grading after the World Tournament?

How well does Kyokushin practitioner do in grappling compare to BJJ or Judo?

Thanks

I have trained Kyokushin for close to 30 years and have done "grappling" such as they have in judo and jujitsu since i first started. It is an intricate part of Kyokushin. We train grappling techniques in just about every class and have seminars devoted to the grappling techniques that are a part of Kyokushin. I suggest that maybe you expand your horizons and look to some who have trained Kyokushin before the World tournaments and who's focus is not on tournaments but on training Kyokushin the way it was meant to be trained. I also suggest you get a copy of Advanced Karate and study this text. There are some great websites out there and articles that you should read. Have a look at this one, some great articles here. https://www.kyokushin.ca

Osu