What goes well with Kyokushin?

[elfordo]

Hey guys i have been studying kyokushin lately(my muay thai trainer closed his gym). I really like kyokushin but i feel it needs to be complemented.

Do you guys have any recommendations on what goes weel with kyokushin karate.

Thankyou

[Meguro]

How about something with locks and joint manipulation. What's in your area?

[Charlie]

I'd say a grappling, sweeping, grabbing, or throwing art would complement Kyokushin nicely. For example, if you combine Judo with Kyokushin, then you have many of the elements that other Kyokushin "offshoots" like Shidokan, Daido Juku, Ashihara, and Enshin have incorporated to try to improve on Kyokushin's basic elements.

[traz]

bjj ;o

[Red J]

What goes well with Kyokushin?

Caesar Salad, potato and a green vegetable. I'm not sure about the wine.

Seriously, I would recommend a grappling style to compliment your standup game.

[yamesu]

IMHO, Kyokushin contains all the grappling one needs.

As with any art, it takes years to completely see the finer points.

Mas Oyama's books; What Is Karate, This Is Karate and Advanced Karate are priceless additions to any MA library, and are a wealth of knowledge into Kyokushin and Martial Arts.

Kyokushin grappling/throws are not designed for submission, they are designed to break or dislocate bones, snap tendons and ligaments, and put one in a 'better' position to deliver a finishing strike as quickly as possible.

If you really are looking for another art to train, I would highly reccomend Arnis or Escrima.

Osu.

[Red J]

IMHO, Kyokushin contains all the grappling one needs.

As with any art, it takes years to completely see the finer points.

Please clarify your statement.

Does this style have formal grappling instruction within its curricular framework or do you literally mean it takes years to actually see the grappling applications?

Thanks.

[Menjo]

IMHO, Kyokushin contains all the grappling one needs.

As with any art, it takes years to completely see the finer points.

Mas Oyama's books; What Is Karate, This Is Karate and Advanced Karate are priceless additions to any MA library, and are a wealth of knowledge into Kyokushin and Martial Arts.

Kyokushin grappling/throws are not designed for submission, they are designed to break or dislocate bones, snap tendons and ligaments, and put one in a 'better' position to deliver a finishing strike as quickly as possible.

If you really are looking for another art to train, I would highly reccomend Arnis or Escrima.

Osu.

If I had taken your statement correctly, I would agree.

I think you ment that this style has techniques that do not require the submission techniques suggested already?

My ideas on your statement has a spin. Theoretically most styles I know suggest the learnings of another art is not needed because if you can properly apply your art(say a striking art) then why would you need to take another(grappling). Of course, even I would admit that its quite an extreme view.

[Meguro]

IMHO, Kyokushin contains all the grappling one needs.

As with any art, it takes years to completely see the finer points.

Mas Oyama's books; What Is Karate, This Is Karate and Advanced Karate are priceless additions to any MA library, and are a wealth of knowledge into Kyokushin and Martial Arts.

Kyokushin grappling/throws are not designed for submission, they are designed to break or dislocate bones, snap tendons and ligaments, and put one in a 'better' position to deliver a finishing strike as quickly as possible.

If you really are looking for another art to train, I would highly reccomend Arnis or Escrima.

Osu.

What do you mean by "need"? Do you mean that if you knock out your opponent fast enough, you won't need grappling skills? If so, I can agree with your statement. If you mean that the bunkai of the Kyokushin kata contain some grappling and joint lock techniques, and that by simply knowing the kata you are somehow a grappling fiend, I disagree.

There are other arts that better prepare you for grappling than Kyokushin karate, for example jiujistu and Daido Juku (I forget what they like to call themselves these days). Aikido and Judo would also be complementary. If your aim is to be a mma competitor, bjj might be the thing to go with your Kyokushin training.

[yamesu]

Does this style have formal grappling instruction within its curricular framework or do you literally mean it takes years to actually see the grappling applications?

Yes, Kyokushin has formal grappling instruction woven into lessons. Its about the only time my dojo get out mats to cover the sprung wooden floor.

Also,

As with any art, I think it takes years to see application.

In the years Ive been learning MA, I still wake up every day and find new application to things I learnt 14years ago.

I don’t think this will ever change.

I think you ment that this style has techniques that do not require the submission techniques suggested already?

Not at all.

Kyokushin contains many techniques from Judo, Jujutsu and Akido.

In fact, techniques like seoi-nage and similar can be found by name in Mas Oyama’s ‘Advanced Karate.’ the small difference is in the way the technique is applied, and the after effects.

My ideas on your statement has a spin. Theoretically most styles I know suggest the learnings of another art is not needed because if you can properly apply your art(say a striking art) then why would you need to take another(grappling). Of course, even I would admit that its quite an extreme view

That is a good point.

What most people are neglecting to realise, probably becuase there only exposure to Kyokushin has been via stand-up tournaments, is that Kyokushin was developed through other martial arts, from Chinese "Kempo" to Judo and even other Karate styles.

Kyokushin is not just a striking art. Its roots go much deeper than simply striking.

If you mean that the bunkai of the Kyokushin kata contain some grappling and joint lock techniques, and that by simply knowing the kata you are somehow a grappling fiend, I disagree.

Thats not what I meant,

sure, kata contains a lot of bunkai that can be interperated as grappling, but there is lot more to Kyokushin than just kata and sparring.

Self-defence techniques are (should be) taught at every lesson. These involve various techniques of things like 'tensho' applied dynamically to an aggressor/opponent. Ie) Attaining a grip on an aggressors wrist, and stepping quickly back into a long stance is enough to dislocate an arm, and bring their head swiftly to waist-height. A much quicker way out of a situation than struggling for 30sec for an arm-bar.

The way I have been trained in Kyokushin, grappling/trapping is a quick means to either snap/shatter/dislocate bones, or to quickly set up for a strike such as a knee or elbow.These are some of the reasons that grappling/clinching are no longer allowed in Kyokushin bear-knuckle tournaments.

There are other arts that better prepare you for grappling than Kyokushin karate, for example jiujistu and Daido Juku (I forget what they like to call themselves these days). Aikido and Judo would also be complementary. If your aim is to be a mma competitor, bjj might be the thing to go with your Kyokushin training.

I strongly agree, but if your going to devote your life to an art, Kyokushin is definitely as good as any.

I didn’t really think of MMA comps when I first replied to be honest.

Cheers.