Japanese Ju-Jitsu descended from Korean Hwarang?

[Kill Jill]

Hi,

Does anyone here have any extensive insight into the origins of Japanese Ju-Jitsu?

It's part of my attempt to place other martial arts in relation to Taekwondo as part of compiling a lineage tree. A point about Ju-Jitsu origins cropped up in the lineage, as I cannot decide whether to solidify the link that Ju-Jitsu in Japan was initiated by some Hwarang soldiers who emigrated from Korea to Japan.

Are there any expert historians out there who have done more research than I have? I certainly don't know a lot about Ju-Jitsu - actually, it isn't practiced in Korea as far as I have come across. (That's where I'm based)

Cheers

[Scott James]

I have never come across anything to suggest jujitsu is not of Japanese orgins.

I have seen some instructors claim it's influence by "Shaolin Kung Fu", but nothing to support that.

[shogeri]

I have seen some hwarang do sites that say they are responsible for all forms of karate and jujutsu.

This is just not so. Most every country out there, had there own form of Martial Arts.

Many styles say that they are start of many other main systems out there, but they do so, only for sake of show or to popularize or give credit to what they are doing.

Now, when those countries battled hundreds and thousands of years ago, did they take and borrow those positive techniques they saw their enemy do, on the battlefied. Possibly.

But credit isn't given to who they borrowed something to. Credit is given to the person or group that were able to blend it into their way of doing things, and into their own culture or worldview.

They are stories of past, meant to give us insight and understanding, and that's about it.

Historians filter alot, and are biased. So one cannot always believe what one reads without further study and cross-referencing.

Just some little thoughts.

Later!

[ps1]

What we call Jujitsu today has been adapted from the various systems of bujitsu (warrior arts of Japan). Unfortunately, written history does not go back much farther than the 12th century or so. Of course, at that time, there was armor being worn. Daggars and other small weapons were also involved with the art. During the Meiji Restoration (and before this actually), the art changed (the warrior class was disapated and a conscrit army was now fully in place). The wearing of armor was no longer needed and the use of weapons was removed.

This happened after a period of about 200 years of isolationism. There is really nothing to suggest that the Koreans influenced jujitsu (or any other Japanese art) in any way. It is actually quite the contrary. Many of the forms seen in TKD are of Japanese decent.

There are a series of books put out by Don Drager that offer a very thorough history of these arts. They are called Classical Bujitsu; Classical Budo; and Modern Budo and Bujitsu. I would suggest you pick em up for a thorough read.

[Bushido58266]

i know alot about jujutsu. jujutsu was invented about 2000 years ago as samurai's form of hand to hand combat. korean martial arts influence didnt enter japan until about 500 years ago. but most koreans when they went back to korea put japanese influence in their arts. ive never really seen much korean arts start japanese arts. so i really doubt that hwarang started jujutsu but it might have influenced some stuff into it later on