Toby Posted January 28, 2006 Author Share Posted January 28, 2006 Hey Shogeri,Thanks for that very insightful look at the way the body works.One of the most in depth explinations I've heard so far. One more question...When you hit a punching bag, do you use gloves. I'm just asking, as I don't wear gloves cause' I figure my knucles will get stronger and more resistant if I don't wear gloves. Or would that just be causeing injury? "The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering." - Bruce Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kungfubluesky Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 in chinese martial arts there is mysterious power training , it is very efficent, we call it neigong, you can try it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAnimal Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Two general ways: practicing punchign and kicking is the first, most important way. The second is hitting the weights and puttin on some muscle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 To kungfubluesky - What exactly is neigong and how do I try it? TheAnimal - I do practise punching and kicking a lot (everyday) and I also hit the weights everyday, do push ups (with weights on my back now), sit ups, bench press, etc (as I said in my first post). But thanks anyway for your input. "The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering." - Bruce Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shogeri Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Neigong means internal work, and refers to training of muscle groups, ligaments, and tendons not usually under conscious control. Neigong is cross listed with the term Nei Jing.Neijing is a Martial arts jing method term that refers to the kind of strength obtained after martial arts training that is able to change direction in accordance to the mind's intent, able to be great or little. Because its movement is within and not external it is called Internal Jing (Neijing). This kind of Jing gathers the whole strength of the body to a single point of power and is called Coordinated Jing Zheng Jing.Other than the above, I do not know much more about it. By contrast, Qigong {which is something I do practice along with Taijiquan and other Internal "work"}refers to breath control and visualization techniques for various purposes - increased circulation to the distal points of the extremities, increased vital capacity, and mental discipline.In the martial arts paradigm the terms Neigong and Qigong have distinctly unique meanings. Thoughout the years, mistranslation has led to confusion and the incorrect use of these terms as synonyms.The following article is saying much of what I am saying as well:http://www.emptyflower.com/xingyiquan/crushing/ken/defining01.htmlThe Taijiquan form serves as my Neigong, and needs be coordinated with san shou and tui shou (Taiji Push Hands) training.In order to not scare people away or give the wrong impression in the sensitive global society we live in, personally, I refrain from using the terms mysterious, or mystical, or "life force", or anything with religious undertones, and so on, when referring to those practices in the Martial Arts.Basically, internal work/skill/art/strength (et al), each come down to the same desired result. They serve to increase the efficiency of all skeletal muscles and allow the body to perform a specific function. The body working as a whole unit. It is the supreme balance between physiology, kinesiogy, physics, and neurology.Ability as such, is invaluable to the martial artist who needs to see and react, as well as not see or think, but react ~ in a crisis situation calling for immediate response to an attack. It is the perfect blend or harmony between being proactive and reactive.The lack of resistance from emotional anxiety and improperly used muscles will greatly add to the overall strength of the entire whole body action thereby improving power greatly.---------------------Toby:I wear weightlifting gloves when I do my bagwork, solely to protect my knuckles on the rare occasion that my hand slips off the bag, violently tearing the skin off.Later! Current:Head Instructor - ShoNaibuDo - TCM/Taijiquan/Chinese Boxing InstructorPast:TKD ~ 1st Dan, Goju Ryu ~ Trained up 2nd Dan - Brown belt 1 stripe, Kickboxing (Muay Thai) & Jujutsu InstructorBe at peace, and share peace with others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kungfubluesky Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 neigong training incluedes many kinds , but we can divide it into two parts , one part is related tohealthy which is cross listed with the term Nei Jing.another is corss liste with Chinese martial arts ,in fact neigong is key factor of chinese martial arts. for example,in boxing and karate , old defeat young thin defeat strong is alomost impossiblebut in chinese martial arts it is very common my teacher is over 50 and 52 kilogrames but he can defeat the boxer who is only 28 and is over 90kilograms. he depends neigong. the neigong training is always the secret of chinese martial arts beacause cluture , language and tradition. but now it is better than before in seveal days i will write a detailed passage to introduce neigong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KF Dude Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Hey guys,Just wondering what are some good ways to improve punching and kicking power. Thanks, Toby.There's already alot of good information on what training to do. Here's my two cents - Correct technique is essential to maximize power, don't increase weight/resistance if proper mechanics can't be maintained through out the movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 Thanks once again for all your imput guys...And I didn't even think this thread would go past a page long. I'll keep practising. "The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering." - Bruce Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaeKwonDo Afficianado Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 As for your question on if you should use gloves when using a punching bag, I highly reccomend not using gloves, or at least only using them sometimes.You can use gloves sometimes, or a type of shoe or "kick" for when you are kicking, but I would use these only when you are really getting sore or getting blisters or torn skin on your hands and feet. The reason is simple, working on the bag with bare skin will basically "toughen" you up. Sounds stupid and simple, yes, but it works, just ask the muay thai guys, among many other martial artists. You might not think you really need to toughen up your feet (by you I don't mean just the poster of this thread but a lot of people), because in a "street fight" you will most likely be wearing shoes. However, you can still hurt your feet with shoes on. If you do a really powerful kick on a bag or something even with shoes on, if you do not have practice you may still feel pain. Train your feet and the pain will lessen.good luck and all the best,Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAnimal Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Well, for KICKING power youll need LEG strengh and CORE strength, so squats, leg presses, ab work, deadlifts, will all help. A bench wont do much. Target the obliques too- twists and so on... usually practicing your kicks is enough for those muscles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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