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[Jiffy]

I just wanted to comment on this whole streetfighter vs professional fighter thing.

What you must consider is that the ring fighting and street fighting are two different things. For instance, if you were to say "Who is the best driver in the world" some might say "Sebastian Loeb". But take him out of the rally car and put him in a F1, he might not do so well, because while it is still driving, it's different.

The same applies for this scenario. While the two things are fighting, they are different. While it's my belief that the professional fighter would ordinarily be faster, fitter, more accurate, more powerful and have a greater range of techniques, he may not be aware of some of the dirty tricks on the street. Nor will be as used to fighting in uncontrolled environments and therefore may become distracted or unbalanced more easily.

[SubGrappler]

There are examples of professional fighters who have gotten into street altercations- Lee Murray (god knows how many times) , Tim Sylvia (vs 6 Navy Seals), Bas Rutten (vs the entire bouncer staff of a bar).

There arent many fighters who havent been involved in street altercations- after all, thats what they do best (fight).

Let me elaborate and further specifize what Im saying about these people- they are the best fighters in hand to hand weaponless combat in the world- by being such, they are still not indestructable- if you ninja stalk one of them and slit his throat from behind then, well, hes rather dead, but it wasnt a "fight" to speak of and it wasnt unarmed combat either.

[Kajukenbopr]

Kajukenbo

Ka- Karate (kicks and strong stances)

Ju- Judo and Jujitsu (standup-throws,sweeps,locks,joint manipulation- and groundfight)

Ken- Kenpo (strong punches, and hit sequenses- knees, elbows,etc)

Bo-Chinese Boxing(kung fu), shaolin hand strikes, qi qong meditations, some tai chi, chinese forms / American Boxing - quick footwork (among other things)

[angus88]

There are examples of professional fighters who have gotten into street altercations- Lee Murray (god knows how many times) , Tim Sylvia (vs 6 Navy Seals), Bas Rutten (vs the entire bouncer staff of a bar).

There arent many fighters who havent been involved in street altercations- after all, thats what they do best (fight).

Let me elaborate and further specifize what Im saying about these people- they are the best fighters in hand to hand weaponless combat in the world- by being such, they are still not indestructable- if you ninja stalk one of them and slit his throat from behind then, well, hes rather dead, but it wasnt a "fight" to speak of and it wasnt unarmed combat either.

I still say you haven't proved this. I don't doubt that all of those people are good fighters, or that they've been in fights outside of sanctioned competition, but it is impossible to say they are the "best fighters in the world."

And yes, I guess it is a little like saying "are NFL players the best football players in the world?" The answer is maybe. There is literally no way to make a claim like that. No way. Impossible.

What Tommy P said is correct. Someone is always better. You can only say in their chosen medium, one might be considered best on a ranking system or because of a particular fight, but it's very naive to think that makes them without contention, the best "real fighters" in the world, or in your words as well, "the best fighters in hand to hand weaponless combat in the world." You have no way to prove it.

[Zaine]

Look at any fighter who came off "the street" and was "hardcore" only to get trashed when he fought professionals- all you need to do is look at footage from early MMA events.

People like Hugo Duarte were the talk of the town- the toughest roughest guy in Brazil and got his way into the UFC, only to be beaten miserably by Tank, yet another guy who made his name on "the street" if you will.

Take that same Tank and throw him in there with actual trained fighters, and he doesnt get far, regardless of his size and strength. The same happened with fighters such as Paul Varleans and Jon Hess.

Look at the past Pride event where they pitted a 330lb Zuluzhino against a 230 lb Fedor Emilianenko- another guy who's tough on the means streets of Brazil against a professional fighter (with a 100lb weight advantage no less) and he got mauled inside 30 seconds.

To deny that they are the best fighters in the world is to be rather ignorant- they are professional fighters- its their job and they do it every day of the week.

Its kinda like asking if NFL players are the best football players in the world.

Thats the same mentality as Bruce Lee was the greatest fighter of all time, but, and this may be a shock to some die hard fans, people Bob Wall were beating him. Those arent the best fighters in the world mainly because for one, not every fight ends up on the ground, and two, those are controlled matches. But to answer the orginal question, every system has its effectivness on the street, it just all depends on how you use it.

[SubGrappler]

I still say you haven't proved this. I don't doubt that all of those people are good fighters, or that they've been in fights outside of sanctioned competition, but it is impossible to say they are the "best fighters in the world."

I doubt there are many people who wont agree with that assumption. These MMA events search the world round for the best fighters they can find. The statement is more a theory in that a theory is an educated assumption based on and supported by evidence and has yet to be proven otherwise- for example, the theory of gravity

What Tommy P said is correct. Someone is always better. You can only say in their chosen medium, one might be considered best on a ranking system or because of a particular fight, but it's very naive to think that makes them without contention, the best "real fighters" in the world, or in your words as well, "the best fighters in hand to hand weaponless combat in the world." You have no way to prove it.

Its been proven in the fact that they said "find someone who can beat me" and they defeated all that was thrown at them. If you can find anyone who's a good fighter, there are more than enough MMA venues (many of which still carry old school MMA rules such as Mecca) for them to test their skills in. These guys claim to be the best and hold that claim because they challenge anyone to take it away from them, and no one has.

[SubGrappler]

Thats the same mentality as Bruce Lee was the greatest fighter of all time, but, and this may be a shock to some die hard fans, people Bob Wall were beating him. Those arent the best fighters in the world mainly because for one, not every fight ends up on the ground, and two, those are controlled matches. But to answer the orginal question, every system has its effectivness on the street, it just all depends on how you use it.

Bruce Lee was an actor, among other things, but thats primarily where his fame was derived. Bruce was far from the best fighter of all time.

Your statement about not all fights going to the ground is a misconception about MMA. Modern day MMA fighters train to fight in all aspects and areas of a fight. Ground fighting is NOT a style of fighting, it is a PHASE of fighting, just as much as punching or kicking is. While you say that the fight doesnt always go to the ground, the same can be said that the fight goes to the ground immediately.

Thats one of the misconceptions about UFC is that everyone thinks that its all about taking a guy down and fighting on the ground. Thats only part of it, and the reason why you see it happen so often is because, as mentioned, groundfighting is a phase of the fight, and it cannot be ignored. Just because you see a guy get thrown to the ground does not mean that he wouldnt prefer to be blasting away with his hands on his feet.

[Anbu Alex]

Ok MMA fighters are good Brawlers and a good number could handle themselves in a street fight but they are fighters from my experiences in a neighborhood with 4 differnet gangs in it some things mma do or claim about most fights going into ground fighting in partly true the so called ground fighting is ground and pound the problem in the streets with grappling is that its hard to fight the other 4 guys with weapons (gangstas are wusses)another point thrown out here is that MMa are great fighters and will challenge anyone, well the reason grandmasters of arts like Karate, kungfu, and etc. dont challenge them is that one they r to old, fight really dirty, and really dont feel like they have anything to prove the highest form of a warrior is to realize that you dont have to fight when its not affecting ppls lives and well being, Musashi came to this realization in his life later on and told his two adopted sons this and even started using Bokkens instead of real swords and out manuvered his opponents alot of past masters folled this trend of peacefulnesss alot became priest ive and seen street fights and dont get me wrong i love the feeling of my fist forceing someone's skull to hit the ground but in the bigger scope of the warrior there are other things to focus on and percive. now be for i get bum rushed for my oppinons i also think that effectiveness of fighting also involves the enviorment, situation, what personally people are good at like me im a far better street/combat fighter than tournament fighter

[Zaine]

Thats the same mentality as Bruce Lee was the greatest fighter of all time, but, and this may be a shock to some die hard fans, people Bob Wall were beating him. Those arent the best fighters in the world mainly because for one, not every fight ends up on the ground, and two, those are controlled matches. But to answer the orginal question, every system has its effectivness on the street, it just all depends on how you use it.

Bruce Lee was an actor, among other things, but thats primarily where his fame was derived. Bruce was far from the best fighter of all time.

Your statement about not all fights going to the ground is a misconception about MMA. Modern day MMA fighters train to fight in all aspects and areas of a fight. Ground fighting is NOT a style of fighting, it is a PHASE of fighting, just as much as punching or kicking is. While you say that the fight doesnt always go to the ground, the same can be said that the fight goes to the ground immediately.

Thats one of the misconceptions about UFC is that everyone thinks that its all about taking a guy down and fighting on the ground. Thats only part of it, and the reason why you see it happen so often is because, as mentioned, groundfighting is a phase of the fight, and it cannot be ignored. Just because you see a guy get thrown to the ground does not mean that he wouldnt prefer to be blasting away with his hands on his feet.

Ground fighting can be a phase but it is also a style. There are styles where they base there whold systems around fighting on the ground. They are very effective and work very well in certian situations. And people did say that Bruce Lee was the best fighter in the world.

[SubGrappler]

Ok MMA fighters are good Brawlers and a good number could handle themselves in a street fight but they are fighters from my experiences in a neighborhood with 4 differnet gangs in it some things mma do or claim about most fights going into ground fighting in partly true the so called ground fighting is ground and pound the problem in the streets with grappling is that its hard to fight the other 4 guys with weapons (gangstas are wusses)

When your attackers are determined to injure you, no one can fight against 4 people at once. Anyone who claims they can is trying to make a quick buck against you. Let anyone who makes this claim stand up in public and openly demonstrate it.

another point thrown out here is that MMa are great fighters and will challenge anyone, well the reason grandmasters of arts like Karate, kungfu, and etc. dont challenge them is that one they r to old, fight really dirty, and really dont feel like they have anything to prove

Helio Gracie is old too- granted hes not fighting, but he did, and so are his students, his sons, and his relatives. As far as not having anything to prove, thats apparently not the case if everyone is questioning their abilities. Everyones ability gets questioned from time to time. You could argue that Royce didnt have to fight after UFC 1 - what did he have to prove? But people kept asking what if this and what if that, so he kept fighting, so that there would be no question that his wins were by no means accidental.

the highest form of a warrior is to realize that you dont have to fight when its not affecting ppls lives and well being

The highest form of a warrior is one who fights the best. Philosophy is great, but the best fighter is the one who beats all the others. Some people are fighters, others are not. They're not fighting because they're trying to prove something to someone else- they're fighting to prove to themselves time and time again.

If you have the personality of a fighter, then theres nothing wrong with fighting. If you dont, theres nothing wrong with not fighting, but dont try to make yourself look better than those who prefer to do it. Another thing to take into account here is experience- just like any other physical activity, experience plays a crucial role, so if you've never tested your abilities, you're going to have a much lesser chance than someone else who has.

but in the bigger scope of the warrior there are other things to focus on and percive.

What can be more important to being a fighter than learning how to fight? You're starting to enter the realm of philosophy, and philosophy governs morals, not physical fighting skills.