Best Training for real life.

[NASKA]

Learning stand up as well as ground skills are needed in real life situations, remember that UFC,Pride and all other MMA events are just that "events" In real life you do whatever it takes to survive and may well be taking on more than one attacker. So study hard and sharpen your skills! A Great teacher in Indiana is Bernie Schrembs with Dragon Martial Arts.

[Jiffy]

Couldn't agree more.

As I see it, there are 4 main facets of martial combat

1- Standup (Karate, TKD, Boxing etc)

2- Standup Grappling (Jiu Jitsu, Hapkido, Aikido etc)

3-Ground Grappling (BJJ, Vale Tudo, Western Wrestling etc)

4-Weapons (Kali, Aido, Buki Ryu, Fencing etc)

(Note: styles given as examples only. Most of these do actually cross into others of the 4 areas, but specialise in the one listed)

It is best to have a base in one facet, but have at least some knowledge of all other facets.

[CrazyAZNRocker]

Actually, Experience would be the best teacher of all... just not the safest...

Also, nothing beats a good group of diverse martial artist to spar with.

[SubGrappler]

Those "events" you just mentioned have the best real life fighters on the planet.

In order to be prepared best for real life scenarios, you need to have full contact training.

[angus88]

Those "events" you just mentioned have the best real life fighters on the planet.

Can you qualify that?

[SubGrappler]

Look at any fighter who came off "the street" and was "hardcore" only to get trashed when he fought professionals- all you need to do is look at footage from early MMA events.

People like Hugo Duarte were the talk of the town- the toughest roughest guy in Brazil and got his way into the UFC, only to be beaten miserably by Tank, yet another guy who made his name on "the street" if you will.

Take that same Tank and throw him in there with actual trained fighters, and he doesnt get far, regardless of his size and strength. The same happened with fighters such as Paul Varleans and Jon Hess.

Look at the past Pride event where they pitted a 330lb Zuluzhino against a 230 lb Fedor Emilianenko- another guy who's tough on the means streets of Brazil against a professional fighter (with a 100lb weight advantage no less) and he got mauled inside 30 seconds.

To deny that they are the best fighters in the world is to be rather ignorant- they are professional fighters- its their job and they do it every day of the week.

Its kinda like asking if NFL players are the best football players in the world.

[Tommy_P]

Look at any fighter who came off "the street" and was "hardcore" only to get trashed when he fought professionals- all you need to do is look at footage from early MMA events.

People like Hugo Duarte were the talk of the town- the toughest roughest guy in Brazil and got his way into the UFC, only to be beaten miserably by Tank, yet another guy who made his name on "the street" if you will.

Take that same Tank and throw him in there with actual trained fighters, and he doesnt get far, regardless of his size and strength. The same happened with fighters such as Paul Varleans and Jon Hess.

Look at the past Pride event where they pitted a 330lb Zuluzhino against a 230 lb Fedor Emilianenko- another guy who's tough on the means streets of Brazil against a professional fighter (with a 100lb weight advantage no less) and he got mauled inside 30 seconds.

To deny that they are the best fighters in the world is to be rather ignorant- they are professional fighters- its their job and they do it every day of the week.

Its kinda like asking if NFL players are the best football players in the world.

While you make some valid points they can be looked at from another angle. The so called street fighters you mentioned are no longer street fighters once they enter that ring. Now they are governed by rules. Rules of which don't allow them to bring their street fighting experience into the ring. What they have to do now is fight their opponents fight. In the street maybe the BJJ guy has his throat cut before he knows he's even in a fight...no rules.

The other thing is you mentioned Tank getting beat by someone and then the next guy getting beat and so on. All that proves (IMO) is that no matter who you are there is always someone better. That isn't the style or art, that's life. And that's the "individual", they all just met "someone" better. It happens...eventually.

Tommy

[UseoForce]

Look at any fighter who came off "the street" and was "hardcore" only to get trashed when he fought professionals- all you need to do is look at footage from early MMA events.

People like Hugo Duarte were the talk of the town- the toughest roughest guy in Brazil and got his way into the UFC, only to be beaten miserably by Tank, yet another guy who made his name on "the street" if you will.

Take that same Tank and throw him in there with actual trained fighters, and he doesnt get far, regardless of his size and strength. The same happened with fighters such as Paul Varleans and Jon Hess.

Look at the past Pride event where they pitted a 330lb Zuluzhino against a 230 lb Fedor Emilianenko- another guy who's tough on the means streets of Brazil against a professional fighter (with a 100lb weight advantage no less) and he got mauled inside 30 seconds.

To deny that they are the best fighters in the world is to be rather ignorant- they are professional fighters- its their job and they do it every day of the week.

Its kinda like asking if NFL players are the best football players in the world.

While you make some valid points they can be looked at from another angle. The so called street fighters you mentioned are no longer street fighters once they enter that ring. Now they are governed by rules. Rules of which don't allow them to bring their street fighting experience into the ring. What they have to do now is fight their opponents fight. In the street maybe the BJJ guy has his throat cut before he knows he's even in a fight...no rules.

The other thing is you mentioned Tank getting beat by someone and then the next guy getting beat and so on. All that proves (IMO) is that no matter who you are there is always someone better. That isn't the style or art, that's life. And that's the "individual", they all just met "someone" better. It happens...eventually.

Tommy

Yeah...but the point of this thread is to dicuss training, and you can't kill your partner!

It'd be nice if there was an endless supply of disposable training partners to pratice "deadly" techniques on, but there isn't. NHB training is the next best thing. You don't have to ONLY spar, grapple, and drill pads. I wouldn't recommend it.

Practice your techniques with the knowledge they will probably not work exactly as planned, and you should always have a good base in striking and grappling if they fail.

For example, if someone throws the steorotypical slow hooking punch, you might be taught to enter and counter with a hip throw or leg sweep. I like doing that IF POSSIBLE, but if one of those techniques fail, I can always:

A. Disengage and being striking NHB style OR

B. If he grabs hold, I can use my BJJ and other grappling training to take him down a little less crisply and work from there.

[Tommy_P]

Tommy

Yeah...but the point of this thread is to dicuss training, and you can't kill your partner!

You are correct about the point of this thread but I was responding not to the point of the thread but to this statement:

Those "events" you just mentioned have the best real life fighters on the planet.

See where he says "real life fighters" ?

Then someone asked him to qualify that and he gave his answer to which I responded.

Tommy

[NASKA]

I did not mean to take anything away from the MMA fighters, I know quite a few of them and was one myself back in the 80's. I have nothing but respect for all of them.

However, my point was they all fight with rules and with only one attacker, as well as a "clean" enviroment. Meaning no weapons or objects that could be used as weapons. Training for MMA is great, but you need to be ready for anything and by training in that manner you will have a much better chance on the street.