Fu Jow Pai

[Caz]

How does this differ from other styles and what does it include? Thanks.

[shogeri]

Fu Jow Pai =Tiger Claw System

Tiger style's combat strategy is to destroy the opponent with a relentless and unrestrained attack. The attitude is that of fearlessness, and fierceness.

Tiger uses hard-external power. Its movements are very aggressive and brutal with lots of breaking,striking,locking, ripping and tearing.

Mentally, one must cultivate an attitude of indestructibility, courage, and disdain for discomfort.

There are differences between the Dragon use of the claw and the Tiger use of the claw.

The Dragon Style implements many internal aspects similiar to that of Taijiquan.

The dragon claw hand (long zhua) is a grab, while a tiger claw (hu zhua) is a squeezing and tearing motion. The dragon claw techniques are primarily pulling and locking techniques and are softer and more circular than a tiger which initiates downward ripping techniques more often than not.

The Snake fighter will calmly await an attack and then, unlike the Crane which uses a stepping hop to evade the attack, they will simply parry and slightly maneuver the body out of the way of the attack while at the same time executing a counter attack with finger tips to a vital point on their enemy. The snake uses many coiling methods to snare, and manipulate their opponents hand and leg strikes.

Typically a fighter that uses Tiger style will not use such against another Tiger style. When two tigers fight, one is usually killed, and the other severely injured.

Tiger style uses many knees and powerful frontkicks. It's strategy is simple and straightforward. Get in, attack, and finish it.

The Crane does not barrel through its opponent with power as the Tiger does, but rather uses evasion by stepping (almost hopping) out of the way and then counter attacking with a forearm or finger strike(s) to vulnerable target zones.

The Leopard is a lively, spontaneous fighter using sudden springing maneuvers and surprise attacks which suddenly overwhelm the opponent and then, prior to an initiated response, the Leopard will have retreated out of range of the counter attack.

I would say that the Fu Jow Pai system is linear, aggressive, forward moving, and brutal. They are concerned more with the attack, that with any evasive manuevers.

There are my two cents...Other opinions may vary...

[stonecrusher69]

I believe the fow jow pai system came from an older system called black tiger and was changed a bit.

[ovine king]

and mostly copied from Wong Doc-Fai's book?

anyway, on the actual subject on how the differs.

the short answer is that it doesn't appear to differ much.

if you know hung kuen, then i would say that it is in application very similar to it except it appears to prefer a shorter bridge more akin to wing chun.

the footwork is very similar to what i know of hung kuen and other styles of the same period.

bear in mind that I have only ever seen demonstrations of the style, hence i can only say that "it appears".

[yireses]

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[Caz]

Thanks alot for the information. On another note, how long does it take to get proficient in this style to actually use this in real life?

[shogeri]

The posts above brought everything I wrote into one nice package.

[shogeri]

how long does it take to get proficient in this style to actually use this in real life?

Like any system it's up to the instructor and student to determine any other advancements in technique or skill proficiency which correlate directly to street fighting ability.

The time it takes comes down to how the following concepts come into play:

1. Individual

2. Methods of Training

3. Techniques and Principles involved

4. Instructor Ability to bring it together

The time range varies, even within a system, let alone when one compares one system to the rest. In what teach, 18 months of hard work, and or previous experiences helps alot.

Besides, pretty much anyone can get nailed with a sucker punch (or handstrike, or legstrike, or knife, or with a gun)...

You will fight how you train. If you train hard, and work hard at specifically pinpointing weaknesses in skill and improving upon them, then certainly you will advance further and faster than those who do not.

With Black Tiger, and most systems two years is the average baseline (or should be) in which you move from being technically proficient to being able to bring such skill to an actual situation that demands it.

[Caz]

Would 4 years of fencing help at all?

[shogeri]

Minus the weapon, you will have some basic footwork, with parry skills, and depending on the level of training and work put into it, a level of reaction speed as well.

The fencing sword is a medium to long range. Your hands are from short range to in fighting range.

In sum, some things will crossover, and others will not, depending on the system you go to.

If Black Tiger, then you will still have some deep stances and thrusts, but there are fewer block, some parry's, and mostly open hand strikes along with knee strikes and frontkicks, and leg sweeps.

Depends on who is teaching the Black Tiger or Tiger Claw system...