The reason we train wrist grabs...

[traz]

http://www.comegetyousome.com/video/Surf%20fight%202.wmv

And everyone doubted the street applications of the wrist grab!

[Shorinryu Sensei]

http://www.comegetyousome.com/video/Surf%20fight%202.wmv

And everyone doubted the street applications of the wrist grab!

I saw no wrist grab there. Yes, the attacker grabbed the guys wrist, but there was no attempt to do anything with it in the way of a lock or submission move. He grabbed the guys wrist then let go of it as he dove at the other guys legs.

I guess I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

[shogeri]

The wrist grab shown in the video, was just that, a wrist grab. There are differences between wrist grabs and wrist locks.

The assailant grabs the wrist, then opens himself up as he goes under the hand.

An arrogant move at best.

The defender in this case simply did not react accordingly. There was too much of a pause on his behalf.

If he had been immediate, as in before the grab even occured, in may not have happenened as it did.

There a million things the defender could have done the moment he was grabbed as well.

Quite frankly, his street skills seemed lacking.

He must not have seen that this was a setup, and he was the fall guy.

Statistics show that people do not get involved in physical confrontations that are not their own. The problem of living in secular socieities I suppose.

The attacker used nothing more than wrist grab followed by a leg grab, and pull.

A raw wrestling technique.

He was first to the punch. That is what counts in most situations.

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Here are some thoughts on wrist locks.

Wrist locks are typically used while in transition to hold to a strike, a strike down, or a takedown.

Typically one holds onto the opponent while attempting to strike them, strike then takedown, or while performing strike downs.

Locks employ either a push, pull, or solid grab.

The immediate result of a wrist lock must accompanied with strike, or takedown maneuver.

Takedowns can be accomplished with the use of all of the above in any combination and order. Takedowns always consist of, in one way or another, a push, pull, grab, or fulcrum and lever.

Strike downs on the other hand are considered takedowns but defined separately as, "striking your opponent to the ground, thus adding injury to insult, since there will be an impact with the ground as well.

Thus wrist locks (or any locks I supposed) are employed in most cases where control is a primary concern.

Take care!

[Adonis]

I have seen that one before. This was up in Hawaii I believe the gringo jumped into the waves and tried to surf during a surfing competion, which he wasn't contestant,

so the other guy went in and told him to get out guy wouldn't so they got in a fight and that part of it was the part of the fight were they were on the shore.

Oh well!

[shogeri]

Basically it could have been avoided.

So sad.

[Shorinryu Sensei]

I didn't see anything in the video that looked like either of those two combatents had any martial arts training at all. It looked like a typical brawl by 2 kids, nothing more.

But then again, I've seen people wearing black belts that gave me that same impression before also.

[shogeri]

I agree, as that's basically what I was saying.

A waste of bandwidth, and a poor display of 15 minutes of fame.

[Sauzin]

Guy grabs wrist, guy fights wrist grab by locking out his arm, and as is usual the first person to change up and do something else gained the upper hand.

This is exactly why I hate wrist grab defenses that focus solely on the grab.

[Adonis]

actually the one who was doing the ground and pound did use technique. He is a BJJ stylist I forget his name. I remember reading in on an MMA forum.

It was a good take down and good controling the person on the ground to set up strikes.

Just because it doesn't look pretty doesn't mean it isn't techinque. It was technique and it was effective.

[JKN Dean]

My take? The guy grabbing the wrist won because he was simply bigger and had the smaller guy intimidated, not because of any "technique". He would have won that fight if he just threw punches standing up.

If you think that grabbing someone's wrist is a good way to start an attack, then you'd better hope that all you're fighting are smaller, wimpier opponents that don't know how to fight like the poor schmuck in the video, because anyone that knows any half-decent defenses against wrist grabs would have left the grabber with a hyper-extended elbow or dislocated shoulder in two seconds.

Heck, even when the guy took him down, there is a BIG opportunity to guillotine choke his attacker that he let get away.

There's nothing in that video to be impressed about, unless you like picking on smaller people that don't know how to fight back.