Fight like a man?!

[ravenzoom]

I understand what you guys are saying, however I don't know if I would use dirty tactics on the street (unless it was really necessary) I mean, at the beginning of the fight I wouldn't try to kick the guy in the balls even if I had the chance, I would only use this as a last resort.

[hammer]

I understand what you guys are saying, however I don't know if I would use dirty tactics on the street (unless it was really necessary) I mean, at the beginning of the fight I wouldn't try to kick the guy in the balls even if I had the chance, I would only use this as a last resort.

To me, the beginning of the fight should be very close to the end of the fight. Also, if I'm in a street fight, it's only because it is really necessary, so anything goes...

That said, I'd hope that I would only do what is necessary to immobilize my opponent so I can get away...anything more is overkill, and if I got caught after the fight, I don't want to risk going to prison because I used excessive force.

A simple swift kick to the groin may be the best thing in that situation, then, as long as it's not hard enough to cause permanent damage...

[shogeri]

There are no rules on the street, even for Martial Artists. There is survival or otherwise called self-preservation.

There are no clean attacks, just as their are no dirty ones.

There are those that are uncalled for, say after the fight is finished, and a person continues to beat or hit the other person.

In other words go too far with it, or use exessive force or means.

Now that is violence.

Thanks to media, and the entertainment industry, it seems that many have this expected outcome or span of events that they would like to see occur during fights, or during a surgery, or during a legal proceeding, and so on.

When we deal with one another on a level of increased emotion or physical anxiety, then their are few, if any guarantees.

Life isn't pretty, and it certainly isn't meant to be pre-arranged, and all nice and dainty.

Especially out on the street.

If a person is not willing to do whatever it takes to help another, or to save their own life, or perhaps the life of a child, then I wouldn't want them covering my back.

Most people respond to pain. For those that don't there are more dehabilitating moves one can perform.

Inevitably, someone will get hurt. That's just the cold hard truth. It is sad, and certainly not always a good thing.

But at least it's realistic.

Just some of my thoughts.

[Balrog]

I understand what you guys are saying, however I don't know if I would use dirty tactics on the street (unless it was really necessary) I mean, at the beginning of the fight I wouldn't try to kick the guy in the balls even if I had the chance, I would only use this as a last resort.

I would. And it wouldn't be a last resort, either.

You don't want to fight, period. If you have to fight, you want it to be over with as fast as possible. You don't want to stand around playing pattycake with some bozo because you have some concept of playing fair. There is no "fair" when you're fighting for real, there is only "ending the fight" and "keeping from being hurt" (if you can).

[coralreefer_1]

You don't want to fight, period. If you have to fight, you want it to be over with as fast as possible. You don't want to stand around playing pattycake with some bozo because you have some concept of playing fair. There is no "fair" when you're fighting for real, there is only "ending the fight" and "keeping from being hurt" (if you can).

I have to agree with that logic. The longer the fight goes on, the more time your opponent has to hurt you, pull a weapon, or have to distracted enough until his friends get involved. I've seen a few streetfights where guys that were not even involved, who didn't even know either party involved in the fight, jumped it, simply because they wanted to hit somebody. It was kind of like the "feeding frenzy" phenomeneon of sharks. They were just so excited by violence that they had to become involved. What if you were on the recieving end of a "dirty tactic" Would you still be repulsed by the idea of kicking a guy low, or pulling his hair, if that were done to you first? Just curious..

Todd

[IcemanSK]

Years ago, I remember a tv interview w/ a Hapkido instructor. He was asked, "Would you take off your glasses, if you were in a fight on the street?" He smiled & said, "The fight wouldn't last that long."

In 23 years of martial arts, I've never been in a fight on the street. I pray I never need to. But if necessary, I would use whatever I needed to do to end it quickly.

[Dont call me Sir]

Watch a 2 year old child doing a jigsaw puzzle. When he/she has trouble with a tricky piece, rather than remove it the child forces the peice in using his/her fist. But look closer and you'll find a primal fist where the child uses the underside (Hammer Fist) rather than the knuckles. It's actually un-natural for us to use our knuckles, or 'fists' as some people refer the technique to.

Boys are brought up and taught to use knuckles by our/their peers, or by watching cartoons, watching films, etc, whereas girls tend to keep to either Hammer Fist or open hand pulling/gouging right up to, and through, adulthood. Women are better natural fighters, in terms of technique, than men because men need to be de-programmed from the 'fist' mentality first.

On the street there are no Queensbury rules, in fact there are no rules - period! (as has already been said).

What makes a punch with the knuckles (the most widely accepted 'gentlemans' technique) a more generally acceptable strike over say a kick to the groin, or an eye gouge, or a bite, which are deemd, by some, as cowardly and ungentlemanly? The answer is honour and shivalry, like that of knights in shining armour, etc. These social graces no longer exist in this dog-eat-dog world, where it's every man/woman for himself/herself.

If you can't talk and walk, then you have to act and act with full agression using whatever techniques are available to take out your opponent. Any less than a mindset of 110% and you are asking for a whooping.

Incidentally, there are only 2 reasons why you would want to fight, given the choice to walk away or fight, and it's got f-all to do with honour, they are ego and peer-pressure.

So, putting your ego and peer-pressure to one side, if you can't walk, then go all out and don't stop 'til they drop.

Saying "that was a bit unfair!" after your aggressor has plunged as knife through your heart ain't gonna bring you back. Treat everyone the same; armed and with accomplaces. Go in with 110% or have you a$$ handed to you..........if you survive!

There are no prizes for second place!

DCMS.

[Shorinryu Sensei]

Slightly off the topic here, but the guy a couple of doors down from me has a bumper sticker on the back of his old Volvo wagon that says:

"Fight like a man..get on your knees and Pray"

Now, don't misunderstand here as I have nothing at all against religion, and I've been real tempted to talk to the guy when I see him in his yard about that and see if he'd really get on his knees and pray for help if he was attacked. He has a wife and at least 3 young kids (that I've seen anyway)...would he not protect them (I wonder) if they were attacked?

Having faith in God is one thing...blind faith and stupidity is another.

[shogeri]

Mankind has been (more or less) left to his own physical trials for quite some time.

As a Christian Minister, I would simply note a prayer to God, before and after.

The trials of our flesh and mind, are just that...Ours. Sometimes the Lord intervenes, and sometimes He doesn't. His call.

I have seen countless people pray before events, and competitions, and business meetings, etc.

God isn't a butler, nor maid, nor servant. He knows us, and knows what is best for us beyond what our puny minds will ever know.

It is up to us, to make these situations come out the best we can.

In a fight we are attempting to preserve the life, or quality of life we have come to cherish.

I stop there, as to not go off topic with this.

[ravenzoom]

Coralreefer_1 wrote:

What if you were on the recieving end of a "dirty tactic" Would you still be repulsed by the idea of kicking a guy low, or pulling his hair, if that were done to you first? Just curious..

Of course I'd do the same. You guys are right and I am not debating this. In a street fight anything goes, this is probably why I would never be a good street fighter I guess. I just know for a fact that I wouldn't focus at the groin at the beginning of the fight, I'd surely try to use punching and my Judo. Unless someone would grab my hair (I have long hair) or would try something nasty would I become nasty also. A real street fighter doesn't have this mentality, this is why I would never be a good street fighter.