Kyokushin VS Kick Boxing, Shotokan or KungFu.

[mean fighter]

Its not the style thet makes people unable to take a hit, you must spar alot at your dojo to train your mind to focus on the match instead of the blw that was just delivered.

[Meguro]

yes and no mean fighter. A lot of point sparring won't help you train to take the hits in a knockdown or full contact tournament. However, cross training benefits all fighters. The advantage still goes to the guy fighting under his rules and having the other guy adapt or not.

[mean fighter]

so let me get this straight, you are agreeing when he says those arts dont train on how to yake a hit In my opinion I just still dont agree

[saishu]

so let me get this straight, you are agreeing when he says those arts dont train on how to yake a hit In my opinion I just still dont agree

Its not that they train you to take a hit. It's that for the most part TKD and Shotokan (and other styles) teach the point system of sparring. The people who practice these system have a tendency to lightly hit then back away (because that is what they are trained to do). When they are in a match with a Kyokushin person they still have problems getting out of that mindset, so when they run up and "love tap" the Kyokushin guy he just gets mad and pummels the TKD guy. That happens 9 times out of 10.

Now there are some good TKD guys out there who actually train in the traditional (Korean TKD) ways which include taking more hits and not point spar. However for the most part TKD doesn't fare well in full contact bouts.

[Takezo]

Its Kyokushin rules.

Takezo,

I wouldn't worry about the Shotokan guys much if its Kyokushin rules. If any of them are JKA fighters they would be kicked out of the organization if Mr. Okazaki caught word of it. So they are totally out of their game.

Your biggest competition in my opinion would be the kickboxers. However they tend to not be well trained. Most of them tend to be very amatuer. If there are any Dai do Juku guys they could be dangerous as well, but those are far and few between in the states.

Kung Fu guys tend to be very flashy but have no real striking power.

Lastly, the TKD guys. They are usually fast, and will throw kicks to the head a lot, but they tend to want to strike then back away. They train to do this because of the typical rules that they train with. I use to do lots of competitions when I was stationed in Korea, and at the time I was Shotokan. I never had any problems with them. They would come in and strike fast, but if you got a good Gyaku Zuki you could nail them nearly everytime.

Good luck with your competition. I'm sure you will do fine.

Tomo

Osu! Tomo

Thanks for the information.

I actualy must of read your other post about Saishu. Is that similar to Kyokushin? It seems to be more brute. Also can it be found in London?

Osu!

[mean fighter]

What experiance have you had with those arts and when you say that did it ever occur to you that the were mcdojos probably Its just that in my dojang, when I spar I am yeld at to do every kick or punch my hardest and I have taken my share of strong blows from older more advanced BB.

[saishu]

What experiance have you had with those arts and when you say that did it ever occur to you that the were mcdojos probably Its just that in my dojang, when I spar I am yeld at to do every kick or punch my hardest and I have taken my share of strong blows from older more advanced BB.

Look bro, I have been in the military for 19 years and trained all over the world. My father was a Japanese Judo champion in the 1960's, and I have won several All Japan tournaments in my day. So I think I know what I'm talking about. Also as far as TKD goes, I trained TKD in Korea for 2 years and trust me there isn't any "McDojo's" there. You need to get out more and look around. There is more to the martial arts than a narrow minded view that everywhere except your dojo is a "McDojo" and that your way is the only right way. If you guys train hard and use full contact then good on you, all I am trying to say is that most TKD in the world only trains for TKD rule tournaments. So get over it, that is just how it is. Nothing wrong with it either, lots of good TKD guys out there. Just a different path that what I follow. Take it for what it's worth bro and get over it.

Tomo

[Meguro]

so let me get this straight, you are agreeing when he says those arts dont train on how to yake a hit In my opinion I just still dont agree

People who have never cross trained in point sparring and knockdown will never understand the nuances of each style. When I got my black belt in ITF TKD, I never received any kicks delivered by my opponent's shin to my thighs. Nor did I have that opponent use knee kicks to my ribs or punch/elbow to the body as hard as they do in Kyokushin. After one hit, fighters don't return to the center of the mat for another face-off- it's all continuous till time is up or someone is knocked down. Your TKD dojang might spar this way. Most do not. If this is the type of TKD sparring you do, then you should have not problem fighting knockdown rules

[y2_sub]

What makes you think that TKD, kung fu and shotokans guys cant take hard strikes.

I know that this question has been answered by Meguro & saishu (thx guys) but I'll add something : being in the ring with them in many occasions , the only thing I could say is that they are not conditioned as kyokushin fighters are ,for instance it took me ONE punch to knock down a TKD black belt while I wasn't able to take a 1rst kyu kyokushin off balance till the third round (that was in the same tournament) , shotokan guys where vulnerable to knee kicks and gedan mawashi geri , & I have noticed that in every fight when they take a hard hit , they expected me to stop or to back off , in the 4 open style tournaments that I have been in , kyokushin ,muay thai and sometimes kickboxing practitioners where always placed in the first three places , makes me wonder why . I know that people are going to say , this is only ur own experience or the guys you have been in the ring with are not true TKD-shotokan-KF , or they where trained in a mcdojo etc..... If this is the case then no one is training in a real dojo anymore

[mean fighter]

Look sorry saishu sorry to make you mad If I angered you Im sorry I guess its just that its hard to distinguish whether or not someone is talking to you respectfully or not when its posted. Its just that I do TKD and I have had the wind knocked out of me more than I would like and had whent against other styles in tournys and almost on the street I dont think my way is the right way I was just talking thruagh my past expieriences in my life. Again Im sorry to upset you