quistions for Aikido

[glockmeister]

Warlock,

I know a lot of the various types of wristlocks, etc, where taught to myself and others at the prison i am currently working in. They can be effective. but as far as being applicable, hmm depends on the situation. sometimes they work well and other times not so well. Aikido, as far as getting very proficient with it, takes alot more time then most corrections, LE agencies are realistically going to invest.

Basically there is no administrator that is going to come out and admit it, but if you work in the field long enough, you will start to get the idea of where they stand on various self defense arts. They would much rather you get a busted jaw then you bust a perp's jaw. Sound hard to believe doesn't it? but its an unspoken rule of thumb. Why? because we can't get a broken jaw or a busted nose and turn around and sue the county, city, etc.. a perp can and can claim police brutality. That is the main reason why we are taught alot of armbars, wristlocks and others and not punches and kicks. The applications we are shown came mostly from Aikido and that's alot what they involve, not because the administration feels it's the most effective and best overasll system, but because there's less chance of you ending up with an excessive force charge and that protects THEM, not us. Whether you choose to believe that or not is somewhat irrelevant, but the reality is, most of our so called "self defense" trainig we get along with deadly force training, etc. is laughable. Again this has just been my experience and the experience of many sheriff's deptuties, cops and correctional officers I have met over the years. It may be different where you are at though.

[White Warlock]

Warlock,

I know a lot of the various types of wristlocks, etc, where taught to myself and others at the prison i am currently working in.

Aikido actually presents very few wristlocks and such. Plenty more can be found from other Japanese jujutsus.

They would much rather you get a busted jaw then you bust a perp's jaw. Sound hard to believe doesn't it? but its an unspoken rule of thumb.

I worked 4 years in emergency mental health working for the government. no, it's not hard to believe, since i experienced it firsthand. With the way it went, a patient could kill us and get away with it (insanity plea), but we were not allowed to cause a bruise.

Basically there is no administrator that is going to come out and admit it, but if you work in the field long enough, you will start to get the idea of where they stand on various self defense arts.

I was referring to them choosing aikido as a training program, not open or closed admission on such. As you stated, it's a long-term study, and they want immediate results and my statement was in reference to administration advocating aikido, a longterm study.

Whether you choose to believe that or not is somewhat irrelevant, but the reality is, most of our so called "self defense" trainig we get along with deadly force training, etc. is laughable.

Well, i did say, "I do know there are various training programs out there that are adopted by various police departments, medical facilities, and mental health facilities. Each to their own needs, but a particular system in and of itself... i am not aware of such acceptance."

As you just indicated, the self defense training programs presented to police and corrections officers is 'laughable.' This, clearly, is not aikido, but one of the various 'training programs,' such as PART, SART, NERT, SAFE, etc. And, of course, the reason they are laughable is because they try to present too simple a training program, handing out a 'handful' of techniques without even 'hinting' at the principles associated with those techniques, and then sending these people out there without a friggin' clue. Worse, many of the people 'teaching' these programs are also clueless, having mastered the program, but not any particular martial art... and thus are skilled at performing a handful of techniques in a classroom... but not where it counts... in the street.