Throw don't place a technique.

[Geng]

Here is the concept of throwing. We throw a kick or throw a punch. We don't bring it there, we throw it.

How do you throw something? you wind up, you let it go and it just goes on it's own.

The same should be with a punch for instance. YOu accelerate the body, and the arm just follows, and the hand shoots out.

Many people bring the hand to the target, they don't throw it.

I am sure I am not the first to think of it, but it's nice to write this down.

What do you guys think?

[mean fighter]

Great post buddy absolutley right through that thing like you mean it just putting it there is just making the person mad if your going to hurt the guy you better do it.

[MenteReligieuse]

Not sure what you mean by "winding up", you don't want to telegraph your strikes. But yeah, the body must move, the limb's own movement just supplementing to the strike, not the other way around.

[White Warlock]

i'm not keen with analogy. It is as if you are communicating that you generate the initial energy and then let it go from there, when what you do is generate the energy throughout the process, or path, of the assault.

When you make impact, you penetrate, and then you either retract, redirect to the next stated striking position, or travel to the next target / action. The idea behind generating power for a throw is to create a widening arc, wherein the object to be released is released at the furthest point of that arc. However, in strikes, it is not a good idea to apply a widening arc. In circular, the most effective is to ensure the striking point follows the same path as the closest joint in the action. In linear, it is to follow the most direct path, with all joints meeting on different points of this path simultaneously, to generate the greatest impact. In both cases, the body leads through a pivoting process (sans centerline generated strikes, which work differently).

Also, to throw means you release 'control' of the limb at a certain point, which leaves you open for exploit. Limbs are not stones that once thrown must be picked up again.

Note: a haymaker is done in a similar fashion to the way a baseball pitcher throws a ball. Haymakers are a bad thing... not a good thing. In fact, a doctor discussed with me that a throw is not an action our arms and shoulders were designed to do, and thus such an action causes injury.

[Geng]

When I said wind up, I did not mean to pull back and than go forward.

I meant you are always winded up, the potential energy is already stored in the muscles. That's why arms are flexed. But you "unwind" the hips and torso, which accelerates the arm, which throws the hand out. The body is still behind the punch, but you don't want to "push" your punch. It's not one handed summo wrestling, it's an explosive shot.

I guess my English is getting in a way.

[shogeri]

To begin with, the whole body must be totally loose (in a state of 'sung). Everypart, toes, waist, and fingertips, must be like a raggedy ann doll. The waist is the area of the body that will give you external fa-jing power. The Chinese word, 'Sung' implies not being able to feel your joints moving.

Fajing power, in this case means explosive. It can be physical, but is most effective more internal it becomes.

A Taijquan Instructor told me that the test for fa-jing can be done as such:

Have a person hold a hard punching mitt on one hand. Touch the mitt with the tips of your fingers. Now, without drawing the hand back any more than the distance from your fingers to your palm, punch the mitt and cause it to be forced (violently) away. This is external fa-jing. Internal fa-jing is when the holder of the mitt, receives a sore palm from that punch...

Taijiquan masters say that the movement is like sneezing, that is, it is with your whole body.

Basically, every martial artists strives to better themselves physically and mentally, not just for combat, but to be something more in regards to their own self-identity, and their community.

It is something a person is, in addition to being a father, mother, brother, sister, professional, and so on.

Externalists (karateka) must begin to broaden their understanding of qi, and realize that it exists and it is real. They must go beyond western, and or japanese/okinawan application of qi.

I have taken shotokan, and Goju Ryu, and TKD, and Jujutsu. None of these have truly focused in on the use of qi, as it is done in TCM, taijiquan, baquazhuang, and some shaolin systems of kung fu. Everyone seems to want to do things their own way. However, in regards to qi, it should be done one way.

In external styles, our punches were as follows:

Have a rooted stance.

Waist is relaxed.

Hand is in chamber.

Waist moves forward.

Hand follows.

Fist tightens right before impact.

Punch drives through opponent.

Arm relaxes and returns to position.

The problems lies in the physics of the above.

In karate and external systems, the body is tense. The shoulder takes the energy back. If not the shoulder, then the upper body. The movement itself appears as it is, strong and hard. But without proper relaxation and utilization of Qi movement.

How many karateka and TKD practitioners here feel the vibrations coursing through their own body after a punch, strike, or kick???

My shoulders are destroyed after hitting boards, concrete, and heavy bags using techniques from karate. Along with the Jo, Chu, and Ge blocks, this too, had an effect upon my shoulders. Now this doesn't happen to everyone, but after 20 years of doing such, it has had an effect upon my ability to continue doing it as much as I would like. As a result, I now have my own style, and practice Taijiquan/Chinese Boxing as well.

In many Chinese Kung Fu systems, internal that is, you are relaxed through the entire movement. Save for when you make a fist.

A western way of putting it, is that qi involves movement. Not only is qi equivalent to energy, it is also the energy of movement, and the internal energy produced through movement.

“Qi Movement” (QM) means the movement in anything and everything that exists. Qi also means life force, thus any kind of movement small or big means life. This is not spirituality, nor do I speak of 'Star Wars'...

QM can be a very small and slow movement as represented by geological transformation over a billion years. It can be a big and fast movement as in a tornado. Each of these are movements of or involving qi. This relationship between two forces, equal yet separate. Opposite yet complimentary, give rise to duality and relativity in all things. We call this ‘Yin and Yang’.

‘Yin and Yang’ is one way, the best way, in which to describe Qi and Qi Movement.

It is through our own exploration of Body Mechanics, that a deep understanding of 'Qi Movement' will flourish, as it is through the study of Qi that Body Mechanics will deepen.

QM involves many things.

Understanding QM, helps us to broaden our knowledge and experiences in regards to punching, or striking in the Martial Arts.

Just some random thoughts...