EternalRage Posted November 8, 2005 Posted November 8, 2005 sorry to make tou mad buddy its just that there was post earlier that said something about being sewed if cought doing a form in without bieng regestered.Well that was me. The Songahm forms are protected as the intellectual property of the ATA. If anyone is caught teaching the Songahm forms without permission form the ATA (good luck with that) legal action will probably be taken. It's happened before, a group of former ATA instructors (ITC) were teaching the Songahm forms and were sued. The suit was dropped after they agreed to refrain from teaching them.Heck, when GM Pierce dropped out of the ATA, I was given explicit instructions on how to answer the phones. After what happened with the ITC gents, he wanted to give no reason for anyone to look at him, for any reason.Bah all this politics. I thought TKD was supposed to be an art everyone could appreciate. How do you "copyright" art... you could always argue that the way you do it makes it different, that your interpretation makes it uniquely yours. When you have copyrighting and trademarking of martial arts material, red flags should go up.
MartialArthur Posted November 8, 2005 Posted November 8, 2005 How do you "copyright" art... Ummm... by performing or recording it.In the U.S., all artists have an automatic copyright on each original piece they make, whether it's a painting, a film, a song, or a form. If I perform or record a Pearl Jam song and they find out about it, I'm sure they would sue me because their songs are both art and copyrighted. Sure, everyone can enjoy the song, just don't record or perform it without their permission (which would involve $$). I guess that's fair because they have to make a living and can't just give everything away.You can optionally register your "work of art" (painting, song, software, book, form, etc) with the Library of Congress to officially record your copyright. That makes it easier to prove that it's yours in a lawsuit.The ATA feels that the forms they developed are valuable and proprietary to their system, so they protect them. That also helps them control the quality of the forms.
Balrog Posted November 9, 2005 Posted November 9, 2005 How do you "copyright" art... Ummm... by performing or recording it.In the U.S., all artists have an automatic copyright on each original piece they make, whether it's a painting, a film, a song, or a form. If I perform or record a Pearl Jam song and they find out about it, I'm sure they would sue me because their songs are both art and copyrighted. Sure, everyone can enjoy the song, just don't record or perform it without their permission (which would involve $$). I guess that's fair because they have to make a living and can't just give everything away.You can optionally register your "work of art" (painting, song, software, book, form, etc) with the Library of Congress to officially record your copyright. That makes it easier to prove that it's yours in a lawsuit.The ATA feels that the forms they developed are valuable and proprietary to their system, so they protect them. That also helps them control the quality of the forms.Good explanation. And your last sentence is dead on target.
Balrog Posted November 9, 2005 Posted November 9, 2005 ATA is not fighting. ATA is sport. ATA has no groundwork. You take an ATA to the ground, he will know as much as the layman. That being said, if ATA schools are advertising their art as the "uber deadly system that can contend with anything on the planet, the best martial art" then we have a problem. BUt looking solely at the system of course they won't be able to defend a wrestler... they don't teach that.Not so, Grasshopper.ATA does teach groundfighting, but not as the primary course of instruction. We learn other martial arts, such as Escrima or grappling, simply to become more rounded martial artists, not to become expert in them. And some people have really taken to groundfighting or sticks or whatever and actually become very proficient in them.An analogy would be college: Taekwondo is our major. The other things, like groundfighting, are electives that support the major and make us a better overall student. If we like the elective enough, we might take more classes in it and maybe make it a second major.
mean fighter Posted November 11, 2005 Posted November 11, 2005 What do you mean withuot any real training? If you wash your hands in anger, you never have clean hands
Aodhan Posted November 11, 2005 Posted November 11, 2005 What do you mean withuot any real training? It might help if you quoted the post you were referring to? This is getting to be a long thread, and most people won't search through every post to find out what you are referring to. Aodhan There are some people who live in a dream world, and there are some who face reality; and then there are those who turn one into the other.-Douglas Everett, American hockey player
mean fighter Posted November 12, 2005 Posted November 12, 2005 Sorry my mistake If you wash your hands in anger, you never have clean hands
mean fighter Posted November 13, 2005 Posted November 13, 2005 I never seen an ATA fighter go against an ITF or WTF before but what is ATAs bases does it have wave motion like ITF ? If you wash your hands in anger, you never have clean hands
Aodhan Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 I never seen an ATA fighter go against an ITF or WTF before but what is ATAs bases does it have wave motion like ITF ?No, ATA does not use the sine wave theory for their techniques.Aodhan There are some people who live in a dream world, and there are some who face reality; and then there are those who turn one into the other.-Douglas Everett, American hockey player
mean fighter Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Hey Balrog are ATA tournaments rare to find? all I seem to run into is WTF and only once in my life ITF. I would like to attend one could you help me please? If you wash your hands in anger, you never have clean hands
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