No need for WTF

[Aodhan]

No, ATA TKD is not the ultimate MA. It's just MY ultimate MA, because it offers so much of what I agree with/am looking for. I still fill in the gaps with outside education though .

I'm not being picky but...

If ATA TKD is your "ultimate" MA, then why do you need to feel that you have to fill in the gaps? Surely the fact that you feel you have to look outside the ATA system means that it is not actually your ultimate MA?

(Please don't think I'm being picky or getting at you, I'm not! )

ATA TKD fits me. I like the forms, I like the sparring, self defense, etc. I've tried aikido, kenpo, shotokan, ITF, WTF, a very little bit of kung fu and and muay thai. ATA TKD fits me the best, so it is my ultimate art. Here I am applying the definition of ultimate as being "Furthest or highest in degree or order". It is my first order art, so it is my ultimate art.

Is it totally complete? No. No art is, IMHO. However, this one fits my body style, personal taste and physical capabilities the best. It provides me the best chance to defend myself with something I am comfortable with.

However, like many striking arts, it doesn't have a lot of emphasis on grappling type situations, so I add that when I can. ATA TKD is still my ultimate art, the rest is just details.

Aodhan

[powerof0ne]

I do ITF TKD and for what I have learned is that there is no need for WTF.

It seems all that they teach is point sparring, and messed up what the general has made for us TKD martial artist. It seems that they know what people want then rather give them what they need. And they seem to be making a prophet off of it and the popularity to boot. if you read this please honestly tell me what you all think.

If we're going to use the same logic you're using here, then I'd say there's no need for the ITF..or the WTF either for that matter. Why isn't there just one TKD organization? Or just one automobile? Or just one of anything you can name?

Or just one governing body for Karate Not just the JKA, WKF, AAU, etc.

[powerof0ne]

No, ATA TKD is not the ultimate MA. It's just MY ultimate MA, because it offers so much of what I agree with/am looking for. I still fill in the gaps with outside education though .

I'm not being picky but...

If ATA TKD is your "ultimate" MA, then why do you need to feel that you have to fill in the gaps? Surely the fact that you feel you have to look outside the ATA system means that it is not actually your ultimate MA?

(Please don't think I'm being picky or getting at you, I'm not! )

ATA TKD fits me. I like the forms, I like the sparring, self defense, etc. I've tried aikido, kenpo, shotokan, ITF, WTF, a very little bit of kung fu and and muay thai. ATA TKD fits me the best, so it is my ultimate art. Here I am applying the definition of ultimate as being "Furthest or highest in degree or order". It is my first order art, so it is my ultimate art.

Is it totally complete? No. No art is, IMHO. However, this one fits my body style, personal taste and physical capabilities the best. It provides me the best chance to defend myself with something I am comfortable with.

However, like many striking arts, it doesn't have a lot of emphasis on grappling type situations, so I add that when I can. ATA TKD is still my ultimate art, the rest is just details.

Aodhan

In my experience it doesn't take long for someone to get their black belt in ATA TKD...for example I know of a local instructor with 15 years in the ATA that is a 5th Dan. To me 15 years to get to 5th dan is insane unless you were training privately and living with a master.