aefibird Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 I think if the two merged, it would be great. Continuous sparring with punching to the head with takedowns and hard contact with minimal gear.THAT would be old school TKD. I think that would be great! "Was it really worth it? Only time and death may ever tell..." The Beautiful South - The Rose of My CologneSheffield Steelers!
Aodhan Posted December 5, 2005 Posted December 5, 2005 So how different are the ATA rules when it comes to sparring in tournaments Are the majority of ATA tournaments point or, full contact Not the majority, but ALL ATA tournaments are point sparring.Punch/kick to legal body target areas, 1 point.Kick to legal head areas or jump kick to body areas, 2 points.Jump kick to head areas, 3 points.Matches to 5 points, 3 in ring judges, two minute matches. Tied at the end of a match, next point wins.Aodhan There are some people who live in a dream world, and there are some who face reality; and then there are those who turn one into the other.-Douglas Everett, American hockey player
Sam Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 i think that a certain style being "redundant" is a bit of a harsh thing to say. Im not WTFs biggest fan, nor am i 100% pro ITF even though its my first style.... I can honestly say, that ideally yes there would be 1 martial art that was ideal.... but there never will be, and so long as people are smart about what they chose to do, the more choice the better...
aefibird Posted December 8, 2005 Posted December 8, 2005 I can honestly say, that ideally yes there would be 1 martial art that was ideal.... Well, if there was one martial art that was ideal and covered everything, it probably wouldn't suit everyone anyway... That's one of the reasons why having different martial arts is good. Not everyone likes Muay Thai, not everyone wants to train in Iaido. Ju Jutsu is not for all, just as neither is Taekwondo. There's enough martial arts clubs and styles out there for people to be able to find something to suit them personally.I can't imagine myself ever taking up boxing but it doesn't mean that boxing is a bad or worthless style - on the contrary, it is great for some people. Those same people who train in boxing, however, may not like my choice of martial arts - it doesn't mean that one of us is wrong, it just means that we have chosen arts to suit us, rather than perhaps gone for the one that is the "best" or the "ultimate". "Was it really worth it? Only time and death may ever tell..." The Beautiful South - The Rose of My CologneSheffield Steelers!
Aodhan Posted December 8, 2005 Posted December 8, 2005 choice of martial arts - it doesn't mean that one of us is wrong, it just means that we have chosen arts to suit us, rather than perhaps gone for the one that is the "best" or the "ultimate".Actually, to you, then, that art would be "Ultimate". To me, martial arts is an expression, and I feel I can be best expressed through ATA TKD. So, for me, ATA TKD is the ultimate martial art. If I felt otherwise, I would be in something different. Aodhan There are some people who live in a dream world, and there are some who face reality; and then there are those who turn one into the other.-Douglas Everett, American hockey player
CTTKDKing Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 Well think of it this way do you actually believe that if you were in astreet fight that point sparring is actually going to help you. just because you tap 3 times in the stomach dosent mean he or she is going to stop. And for your information I have had WTF training and tried using to defend myself from bullys and when I used a tequnieqe it only make them mad and after only two monthI was only three levels from black belt. even the parents who had no idea of martiual arts knew some thing as wrong and took their kids from it after nearly a year. Thats when I came to ITF TKD it had more power and the ten year old children were more powerful then the instructor at WTF school.I am in a WTF school, and I have to say you must have been in a low grade WTF school if all they tought you was point sparring. In my school (yes you get points for striking your oponent) it's full contact to the degree where you win if you knock your oponent out. That's too bad you had a bad experience, however don't go nocking the whole federation because the one school you went to stunk. "The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering."
aefibird Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 choice of martial arts - it doesn't mean that one of us is wrong, it just means that we have chosen arts to suit us, rather than perhaps gone for the one that is the "best" or the "ultimate".Actually, to you, then, that art would be "Ultimate". To me, martial arts is an expression, and I feel I can be best expressed through ATA TKD. So, for me, ATA TKD is the ultimate martial art. If I felt otherwise, I would be in something different. AodhanTrue...I see your point/ However, you wouldn't say that ATA TKD is THE ultimate MA, would you. in the same way that I wouldn't say Karate or WTF TKD is THE Ultimate MA either. It's just what suits us best - which is not necessarily the best style or most rounded or most popular or whatever. "Was it really worth it? Only time and death may ever tell..." The Beautiful South - The Rose of My CologneSheffield Steelers!
Aodhan Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 choice of martial arts - it doesn't mean that one of us is wrong, it just means that we have chosen arts to suit us, rather than perhaps gone for the one that is the "best" or the "ultimate".Actually, to you, then, that art would be "Ultimate". To me, martial arts is an expression, and I feel I can be best expressed through ATA TKD. So, for me, ATA TKD is the ultimate martial art. If I felt otherwise, I would be in something different. AodhanTrue...I see your point/ However, you wouldn't say that ATA TKD is THE ultimate MA, would you. in the same way that I wouldn't say Karate or WTF TKD is THE Ultimate MA either. It's just what suits us best - which is not necessarily the best style or most rounded or most popular or whatever.True, it's a matter of semantics and the emphasis that you place on the word "Ultimate". No, ATA TKD is not the ultimate MA. It's just MY ultimate MA, because it offers so much of what I agree with/am looking for. I still fill in the gaps with outside education though .Aodhan There are some people who live in a dream world, and there are some who face reality; and then there are those who turn one into the other.-Douglas Everett, American hockey player
stoneheart Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 I took a trial class at an ATA school. The class only lasted 50 minutes. I don't possibly see how any meaningful training can take place in such a short interval. Heck, the warmups were too trivial to even merit calling them warmups.I do like the Songahm forms, and I know the ATA is very popular with a certain age set, but it's not my cup of tea. Not enough conditioning work, point sparring only, questionable self-defense techs, gaudy uniforms, and no lack of high ranking "masters"... I dunno.
aefibird Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 No, ATA TKD is not the ultimate MA. It's just MY ultimate MA, because it offers so much of what I agree with/am looking for. I still fill in the gaps with outside education though .I'm not being picky but... If ATA TKD is your "ultimate" MA, then why do you need to feel that you have to fill in the gaps? Surely the fact that you feel you have to look outside the ATA system means that it is not actually your ultimate MA? (Please don't think I'm being picky or getting at you, I'm not! ) "Was it really worth it? Only time and death may ever tell..." The Beautiful South - The Rose of My CologneSheffield Steelers!
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