Question about MMA

[Adonis]

I only been to one Ninjitsu school, they showed wrist locks or something they weren't really good at doing them. It was more based of Japense Jiu-Jitsu. Since Ninjitsu derived from japan.

Either way, point of that is there realy isn't an actual ninja schools, and particular anicent methods aren't as pratical in common day with technology and what is going on. Most modern day ninja's would be that of special forces units or CIA or covert type agents would be more modern day ninja's.

What is usually taught in ninja schools is some whats called taijitsu which the empty hand part of ninjitsu I believe. I read then some where I believe stephen K Hayes books. I tend to agree though. Either way other schools there probably just some karate and japense jitsu and people wearing ninja hoods fanticizing about times passed.

As for MMA some technqiues that people believe would work didn't quite work well in sport combat. People were accustomed to dealing with grapplers and leverage applied for standing for punches is diffrent when on the ground and alot of leverage is lost with strikes when two opponets are very close to where the strikes become ineffective to do serious damage.

Either way I say weather you do TMA, Ninjitsu, MMA styles, or Water polo if you enjoy it, and it helps you to towards your goals as to way you take it. Then thats great.

[Adonis]

Now while "I" like MMA over TMA's I have practiced and seen.

Now don't get me wrong there some good styles out there with good instructors that emphasize good training methods to help the students make the moves work for them I guess.

why I like MMA though.

1. grappling/striking approach instead of one over the other type thinking some styles have because of the way they are designed.

2. Restiance from a partner so you know the moves are working for you. (thats the biggest one right there)

3. MMA events are more documented and can easily be accessed then some grandmaster's stories of fighting or some old creater of an art used it in acient battles to prove it. thats fine they did it then but each invidual has to prove it to themselves this is why I like against #2 of what I said.

So results and seeing what techniques worked and didn't work the results can be seen instead. of some one Theorizing this or that would work.

How ever on that note TMA and RBSD places are good also. They teach multiple opponent stratgies, running (which I don't know why that should be common sense but some people lack that quality so I guess it should be taught) keeping opponent between you and the ohter so your not double teamed in 2 on 1 situations. which is good.

2 they teach other stuff that isn't common in MMA if taught at all like other techniques, stuff on Chi/ki and if some one likes that weather others opionions on how effective it is for real fighting it is still fun stuff to learn non the less.

Either way I can write on and on. Eihter way like I said previously if you enjoy "wheat ever it is you do" keep doing it, if it helps you reach your goals.

[SubGrappler]

What record? Don’t use sport events as a guideline for effectiveness.

Traditional systems teach a martial art while MMA systems claim to teach "street fighting", ring fighting, a mix of traditional systems, or selective techniques from whatever the instructors have learn'd. It all depends on what you want out of training on what school you should choose..

"Claim?" MMA systems DO teach these types of fighting. The irony of your post is that if you probe deeply, you wrote it backwards. Mixed martial arts has evidence of its techniques actually working. The same can not be said of traditional arts.

On another note, I've trained in a traditional art and it is considered to be too "hard core" for most people. It takes a certain mentality to stay in it. Classes are normally small (I've maybe seen 10 people in class on the best day). We've had Army Rangers and other special ops alike come through and never stay (sometimes the kids stay but parents don't...go figure). The school has not changed its teachings to keep the doors open.

Perhaps they decided not to stay because:

1: the were called to duty

2: simply arent dedicated.

3: were not impressed with the style/system/classes

4: the classes were too difficult for them.

I dont know about you, but I've seen MMA styles that are worth only for a ring- not even practical unless your opponent wants to stay fighting with you for a while to see who gets knocked down first... good fighters do arise, but its not because of the style, but because of how they train.

I think if he mentioned the rangers and military he meant that they couldnt take the classes. And for someone who is supposed to be accustomed to taking hard training, desertion is not what is expected of them.

Feel free to give examples.

If you're opponent decides he doesnt want to stay and trade punches with you, (i.e. run away) that means hes not going to fight you anymore. You've done a good job of defending yourself.

[Kajukenbopr]

What record? Don’t use sport events as a guideline for effectiveness.

Traditional systems teach a martial art while MMA systems claim to teach "street fighting", ring fighting, a mix of traditional systems, or selective techniques from whatever the instructors have learn'd. It all depends on what you want out of training on what school you should choose..

"Claim?" MMA systems DO teach these types of fighting. The irony of your post is that if you probe deeply, you wrote it backwards. Mixed martial arts has evidence of its techniques actually working. The same can not be said of traditional arts.

On another note, I've trained in a traditional art and it is considered to be too "hard core" for most people. It takes a certain mentality to stay in it. Classes are normally small (I've maybe seen 10 people in class on the best day). We've had Army Rangers and other special ops alike come through and never stay (sometimes the kids stay but parents don't...go figure). The school has not changed its teachings to keep the doors open.

Perhaps they decided not to stay because:

1: the were called to duty

2: simply arent dedicated.

3: were not impressed with the style/system/classes

4: the classes were too difficult for them.

I dont know about you, but I've seen MMA styles that are worth only for a ring- not even practical unless your opponent wants to stay fighting with you for a while to see who gets knocked down first... good fighters do arise, but its not because of the style, but because of how they train.

I think if he mentioned the rangers and military he meant that they couldnt take the classes. And for someone who is supposed to be accustomed to taking hard training, desertion is not what is expected of them.

Feel free to give examples.

If you're opponent decides he doesnt want to stay and trade punches with you, (i.e. run away) that means hes not going to fight you anymore. You've done a good job of defending yourself.

I'm not posting any names of styles here but, I have a friend who was taught boxing, some tae kwon do, and mixed with some KArate (trying to achieve a similar style to muay thai I guess) and the stuff he was taught was useless. He was taught how to kick for point tournaments, flashy punches that left openings and grappling defense that was more common sense than actual martial arts.

After having trained in different styles and then one mixed martial art, he was left a bad boxer, a bad tae kwon do, and a horrible karate-ka(some new flashy karate based mixed martial art).

[Kajukenbopr]

I also want to mention, for all those who have been watching "the Ultimate Fighter 2"- you saw the fight between the mixed martial artist(black belt in BJJ and muay thai) and the free style fighter.

the free style fighter won the fight just because he wouldnt stay still. The Mixed martial artist used what he taught he knew but nothing worked- his striking wasnt good, and his ground work could have been better polished.

I am not talking about someone who went and took some training and thats it, I'm talking about an experienced fighter(Black belt and had trained with more people) who couldnt win the fight against someone who fought any way he wanted to: had no discipline, and had poor training compared to his teammates.

--even if you practice mixed martial arts, you wont win all fights. it cna be an advantage or a disadvantage to you--

[Adonis]

Not neccisarily, True just practing mma. isn't going to help you just like doing any thing half way isn't. Got to find good teachers that are knowlegeable about it. THe fight was between Jorge Gurgel and Jason Von flute. Jason was the less experienced fighter. but in my opinion had better knee's and strikes then the other guy. I think Jorge was over confident and underestimated his opponent. Not to mention I hear he is GOOD but some people are better coaches then they are fighters.

Von Flute has been training for awhile as well and is very good just ins't some street brawler or untrained fighter.

[White Warlock]

The inherent problem with trying to study under one teacher that provides a mixed-martial art program, is that he likely has not developed a deep understanding of each aspect of the arts he presents. I've encountered 'far too many' mma competitors that have a few good techniques, and then a flue of improperly presented ones. Worse is when they start teaching others their mistakes.

It is better to study particulars from those that have actually obtained a degree of mastery in their particular art, or arts, rather than the mish-mash hand-me-downs so common today.

[Adonis]

I agree with you white warlock on that. There are some good teachers that cover alot of aspects of diffrent styles how ever most aren't as good like that in my opinion also. You are right it is better to go to diffrent teachers or find a gym that advoacates speaclist of the styles. Meaning not one person teaches every thing. The schools should have a good Jiu-Jitsu coach, a good wreslting coach, good boxing or mauy thai coach, or judo coach or what ever.

[Anbu Alex]

Well, first have a look at you ninjitsu club.

Yeah I have already done this, neglected to mention this so apologies.

General format was warm up/stretching etc to begin.

There were two areas covered in a hour long class, the first was pressure point techniques from standing, kneeling and prone positions. The second was sparring techniques involving correct ways to punch and kick. One such punching technique was to 'feint' a punch at an opponent then spin round and backfist. Another was to use what the instructor called a "power jab" which was (assuming you were right handed) to jab off the right hand as that's the one with the power. Overall I'd say it was a good class and only cost me £12.

Do you mind if i ask the name of this club