BJJ vs Judo

[SubGrappler]

Actually it was within context. BJJ came from judo, and hence has judo throws in it. Notice I never mentioned wrestling. In a bare bones bjj class, you will still learn basic judo throws, like o goshi, ippon seionage and tani otoshi. Also, if you ever attend a bjj self defense session, it revolves mainly around stand up grappling.

one of the posts before you stated that they learned Judo but "concentrated on ground fighting" and added more submission holds or something like that.

so I gess they may or may not have kept the throws, but if they kept them, they are not the primarry techniques and would not be practiced as much. (and the Judo guys, having to spread training time between standup and ground fighting, would like wise not be able to practice the ground stuff as much as the BJJ folks)

see I'm getting the hang of this.

Count Maeda taught the Gracies what was Judo and also some of the old school Japanese Ju Jitsu. The Gracies were purely interested in a real life effective fighting style and found that grappling skill on the ground was of more importance (at the time) than grappling skill on the feet. Taking the fight to the ground was a relatively easy task and a fight was won on the ground much more than it was ever won in the standing clinch, hence the great emphasis on the ground game almost to the neglect of the standing game.

[ravenzoom]

SubGrappler wrote:

hence the great emphasis on the ground game almost to the neglect of the standing game.

Almost too much, don't you think?

[elbows_and_knees]

Almost too much, don't you think?

No, not really. If you look at gjj self defense, it it stand up. If the fight needs to go to the ground, then take it there. During a time where relatively nobody knew about ground grappling, then taking the fight there was a stroke of genius.

[SubGrappler]

Elbows and knees is correct- at the time of its conception and even during its MMA fights and challenge matches, there never was a question of "if" you got your opponent to the ground but rather when and what position would you fall in. In that respect, the groundwork was much more important.

Nowadays when you refer to mixed martial arts, its neccessary to have a good takedown game if you plan on using your skills against a good striker.

[UseoForce]

May I suggest everyone read "Mastering Jiu-jitsu" by Renzo Gracie?

It addresses the historical, strategical, theoretical aspects of both JJJ and BJJ. It answers so many of the questions so frequently asked on Karateforums.com.

[superfighter]

id reccomend everybody to read "Mastering jiu-jitsu" its one of the most comprehensive books out there and should be considered a bible to all people who love grappling. and for those people who want to get a big insight in to it also

[Kajukenbopr]

BJJ will give you the striking that most judokas miss.

not that judo is weak, on the ground, the are pretty much the same, but you can expand your abilities a bit more with BJJ

[elbows_and_knees]

BJJ will give you the striking that most judokas miss.

not that judo is weak, on the ground, the are pretty much the same, but you can expand your abilities a bit more with BJJ

That depends on where you train. As most BJJ schools are competititve, they teach things you can use in competition - and you can't strike in a bjj match. consequently, they won't teach them. Now, if you are learning the self defense aspects or train in an mma format, then yes, you are correct. Howver, bjj standup up grappling is lacking in comparison to judo, so it's a trade-off either way.

[Kajukenbopr]

BJJ will give you the striking that most judokas miss.

not that judo is weak, on the ground, the are pretty much the same, but you can expand your abilities a bit more with BJJ

That depends on where you train. As most BJJ schools are competititve, they teach things you can use in competition - and you can't strike in a bjj match. consequently, they won't teach them. Now, if you are learning the self defense aspects or train in an mma format, then yes, you are correct. Howver, bjj standup up grappling is lacking in comparison to judo, so it's a trade-off either way.

like you said, depending on the school.

I've seen some that teach mma style- striking , grappling and groundfight.

others, like you said, only want to bring the person to the ground and leave it at that.

Id still rather go with the BJJ though

[Menjo]

Id go with Judo generaly, mainly because i think theyd end the fight faster. Also because they concentrate on more than one opponent(from my knowledge).