Shotkans effectiveness

[jaymac]

I think to get back to the original topic about shotokan vs. MT, I think Jake put it into perspective. he has been taught how defend himself in any situation. he defended himself and got out of there. Good job Jake. I sometimes think that people need to look at martial arts from the perspective of "Why do i want to take martial arts, and what do I want to get out of it". Did the person who originally posted this topic want to join Shotokan or other style of karate because he wanted to learn a traditional art with a different perspective than MT, or did he want to learn an art where when he gets into a fight, he continues to pulvarize the attacker until he kills him? Everyone gets what they want out of Martial Arts and if they don't, they move on. I know I didn't join in order to go out looking for fights, I joined to prevent them.

[shogeri]

Depends on how you use it, and whether or not you limit yourself to technique alone, are are capable of expanding on the principles of combat in the first place.

That is ~ a person wins the fight, and not necessarily the system.

I hope the person who posted this thread is finding what they seek!

Good luck!

[juey palancu]

Hi,

I am nidan in traditional shotokan and I have engaged in full contact tournaments in various states and the only people that ever gave me trouble were other traditional shotokan practicioners and some traditional goju-ryu and jujitsu ones. Kyokushinkai were very strong and had good spirit but had poor balance so my dachi barai was my mian technique agaisnt them and they spent a lot of time on the floor! Actually goju ryu karatekas were as strong but with better, more refined technique. MMA-fighters just dindt have good striking technique and a low, soild gedan barai is the best takedown defense I have learned.

I dont go to a commercial dojo, but rather have learned form my sensei as a lifelong apprentice and friend. Any traditional art is good if you take the time to learn the techniques well, even if it is onlya few techniques.

Actually, I wont to go open tournaments anymore becasue my sensei asked me to stop it, and I feel more comfortable than ever with my traditional shotokan after testing it out there.

yours in budo,

Geronimo

[johnnymac]

dachi barai was my mian technique agaisnt them and they spent a lot of time on the floor!

What exactly is a "Dachi Barai". From my understanding of karate terms Dachi means Stance, and Barai is a sweeping motion.

Just wondering if you could clear this up a bit.

John

[juey palancu]

Hi,

Dachi barai is exactly what you described. Sweep the stance, in other words just plain sweep. You see someone with questionable balance, oyu sweep them! The front leg, the back leg, inside or outside....

thanks for helping me clarify my post!

Osu!

Gero

[johnnymac]

Dachi barai

No prob with the clarification. Just not use to hearing it that way. Usually it's ashi barai (foot sweep). Happy holidays.

John

[juey palancu]

J'Mac,

Actually, you are right. It IS ashi barai. thanks!

Ashi barai, gyaku zuki, ashi barai-uraken, those combinations are useful against styles with poor balance and high centrs of gravity in their stances...

Shotokan (practiced well) can be very EFFECTIVE!

best,

Gero

[tsdkid]

any martal art can be afective. as long as you understand its aplications.I dont belive one styel is beeter than the other.Its all about your understanding of the art and its perpises.Also it has a lot too do with your instructor.There are many masters out there.Who know the katas and tecniqes but have no idea how to apply theam.My adise if you want to be prepared spar spar spar.

As for styel vs styel i wouldent get into that.I have seen great martal artes in many styels.But there are also bad marti artes in each styel.Ive seen a 5th dagree blacbelt in shotokan.Get decimated by a 16year old black belt in tangsoodo.The 5th dagree was much better with tecniqe.He was faste stronger and more fluent.but he still lost.y you say.becaue he dint know how to applly his abliity is combat.so i say dont worry about styel fide a quality instructor.who knows more than just the tecniqe.

[Tommy_P]

Ive seen a 5th dagree blacbelt in shotokan.Get decimated by a 16year old black belt in tangsoodo.The 5th dagree was much better with tecniqe.He was faste stronger and more fluent.but he still lost.

What does it mean "decimated"?

Was it point sparring, was it knockdown/full contact? What rules were imposed? How did he lose (get decimated). that could mean just about anything. Did he get knocked out or did he lose 5 points to 1? Big difference.

Tommy

[tsdkid]

It was semmi full thay wore hand pads.But you could use any tecniqe and as much power as you wanted.he got ko,d.Decimated means he got humilated the kid did what ever he wanted when ever he wanted.His oponit had no ansers.

By no means am i saying he was a bad martialartis.He just wasent prepared. He came to our studio were we spar semi full every class.In his studio thay only do points and light contact once a month.So he was out of his elemnt which is y i said .Dont worry about the styel find a quality instructor.who understand more than just the tecniqe.He also knows how to aply it.