Karate defence against BJJ

[Ego Assassin]

P.S. In these line training drills for stances are your students takedown specialists or just a bunch of beginners making an ill informed attempt to take eachother down?

[SenseiMike]

Judo doesn't do much for leg takedowns, and when they get in, there buts go out and they get low. They do not stand upright.

Wrestling does not allow submissions. One of the two major style (Greco-Roman) doesn't allow attacks too or with the legs, everything is upper body throws.

" if they did, you'd see a big difference on the national level."

So are you considered a national level coach?

No, I'm not a national level coach. never claimed to be. All I said was that if karate hadn't fallen into the it's present state of glorified point sparring and instead had retained it's fighting heritage, then you would not see karateka beaten so easily when they do fight in mixed style competition.

[SenseiMike]

I believe we are all failing to look at what mma has done to prove grappling against stand-up fighters. Now someone will bring up Chuck Liddel but lets remember that he wrestled on the college level and trains extensively on the ground. Why? So he CAN stay on his feet. I am also from the area that Mr. Sensei Mike is from We are just up the road from eachother and I can tell you he has never been in our school. We train BJJ JUDO WRESTLING MUAY THAI AND BOXING. His beleif is that a BJJ practitioner of purple belt level (the next is brown then black) should have to fight black belt level karate practitioners at his tournament which leads one to believe that regardless of what he says he has great respect for grappling arts.

I have the upmost respect for BJJ, I never meant to imply that I don't. I feel that karate is poorly represented these days, and if it wasn't, then you'd see Karate guys put up way, way, way, much more of fight.

If you're from the school I'm thinking of, then nope, never been in there, but I shop @ wal-mart and generaly avoid the mall all-together, didn't know you guys moved untill Cliff told me on the phone.

I do think that purple belts in bjj should fight at black belt in my tourney because of the time in rank requirement in bjj. Most of the schools I invited, a black belt would have about 2 years experience, maybe more depending on dan level, but between 2 and 2.5 years is about average in karate, tkd, etc..

[SenseiMike]

P.S. In these line training drills for stances are your students takedown specialists or just a bunch of beginners making an ill informed attempt to take eachother down?

I learned them from my sensei, but they've been further refined by my good friend Adam who holds a black belt in Ju Jutsu. Nobody is take down proof, but we're a heck of a lot harder to take down than most.

[AndrewGreen]

I've seen some pretty goofy takedowns done by Ju Jutsu blcak belts, you really should find someone with a wrestling background to play against.

"then you would not see karateka beaten so easily when they do fight in mixed style competition."

So... no one has stepped up and done well. Back in UFC 2 they got a top Karate guy from Japan in, got beat quick. Guess he didn't really know "real" karate then?

You do? How about sharring some details. How exactly do you stop a basic leg shoot? Let's take a single leg attack.

[lgm]

You can become a great fighter without ever becoming a martial artist, but no sir, you can not become a great martial artist with out becoming a great fighter. To fight is most certainly not the aim of any true martial art, but they are fighting arts all the same. As martial artists, we must stand ready to fight, even if hoping that such conflict never comes.

-My response to a fellow instructor, in a friendly debate

You signature quote is the one that really interests me, SM. How do you define or how can one qualify as a "great fighter" in your view?

You mentioned that "as martial artists, we must stand ready to fight, even if hoping that such conflict never comes." Would this be then the one important trait, in your view, that distinguishes a great fighter from one who is not, namely "being ready to fight"? Or, would you like to re-formulate or re-state in view of my query? I would like to be clear on your point before I give my 2-cents opinion.

[White Warlock]

just 2 cents? I'm ready to drop a quarter.

[y2_sub]

How generous

[SenseiMike]

I'm guessing they do a lot of point sparring in Japan too then.

My signature is from a conversation that took place between myself, an ITF instructor and a WTF instructor. It expresses my philosophy that the MA's are fighting arts and should be trained as such.

No I don't see myself as a "grand master....blah...blah...whatever" I think you are reading too much into this. But I think if more karate students trained in a way that resembled real fighting, then you'd see the style as more competitive in that arena. That's all I've been saying.

[lgm]

You can become a great fighter without ever becoming a martial artist, but no sir, you can not become a great martial artist with out becoming a great fighter. To fight is most certainly not the aim of any true martial art, but they are fighting arts all the same. As martial artists, we must stand ready to fight, even if hoping that such conflict never comes.

-My response to a fellow instructor, in a friendly debate

You signature quote is the one that really interests me, SM. How do you define or how can one qualify as a "great fighter" in your view?

You mentioned that "as martial artists, we must stand ready to fight, even if hoping that such conflict never comes." Would this be then the one important trait, in your view, that distinguishes a great fighter from one who is not, namely "being ready to fight"? Or, would you like to re-formulate or re-state in view of my query? I would like to be clear on your point before I give my 2-cents opinion.

...But I think if more karate students trained in a way that resembled real fighting, then you'd see the style as more competitive in that arena. That's all I've been saying.

I won't disagree with you on that particular point. But, going back to your signature quote, in addition to the mind set of being "ready to fight though hoping that such will never take place" and in addition to what your quote above saying that fighters should train in a way that resembled real fighting, what else would you say will make people real martial artists and great fighters?