Pride

[Goju_boi]

sounds like like you know what's up.

[h2whoa]

Pride in your achievments, not arrogance is good!!

Pride stopping you from avoiding confrontation will get you killed!!

[Goju_boi]

what do you mean? It's best to avoid the confronation in the first place.

[h2whoa]

what do you mean? It's best to avoid the confronation in the first place.

Thats what I said, if someone is verbally abusive and calls you names and your pride wont let it be, you could get killed!!

[giang_hu]

I don't think pride has any place in martial arts. I think when people are using "pride" in this thread they really mean "respect". Should you be proud of your achievements? I guess. I admit, whenever I learn something new from my sifu I always have a smile on my face because I'm so happy (this happens to everyone in my school). However, when my sifu sees me beaming (with pride? or happiness?) he tells me to shut up and keep training.

[MATX1]

Most traditional arts promote humility. With good training negative emotions like pride are tempered.

[lgm]

Most traditional arts promote humility. With good training negative emotions like pride are tempered.

What kind of training do you think will temper one's pride? Learning to punch, strike, kick, block and other physical skills involved in the art of defending and attacking doesn't seem to have anything to do with modulating one's pride. In fact, it may even bloat it when one has mastered the art of winning over or defeating another person.

You are probably referring to the philosophical or ethical teachings that accompany most traditional arts as the critical factors that may induce one to be more humble. If so, that should be an encouraging angle to research on and test for validity in a scientific study.

[Sauzin]

Most traditional arts promote humility. With good training negative emotions like pride are tempered.

What kind of training do you think will temper one's pride? Learning to punch, strike, kick, block and other physical skills involved in the art of defending and attacking doesn't seem to have anything to do with modulating one's pride. In fact, it may even bloat it when one has mastered the art of winning over or defeating another person.

You are probably referring to the philosophical or ethical teachings that accompany most traditional arts as the critical factors that may induce one to be more humble. If so, that should be an encouraging angle to research on and test for validity in a scientific study.

No I don't think that's what he was referring to. It might be, but that's not how I interpreted it.

In my experience traditional arts teach humility in three ways. The first way is by example. The teacher presents a humble and and often inconspicuos image. This often has the effect of breaking the mold of preconceived notions about what skill looks like and what forms it takes. The second way is by teaching a student or allowing him to experience greater potential. By giving students a peak into what is possible a student is often humbled. This is often done by means of the teacher demonstrating. The third and perhaps most important is effect that hard, earnest, and effective training has on ones perception. As you train hard and "beat the demons out of the soul" as they say, you become less defensive of your inadequacies...more secure with yourself. This has the effect of opening your eyes and allowing you to see the potential of what is really out there as you are no longer afraid to see it. There is nothing more humbling then this.

Everything is relative. Especially pride. If you compare yourself to a dog then you are superior in almost every way. If you see nothing else, then pride will naturally fill you as even your slightest accomplishments will glow. But if you become aware of the human potential then even your greatest accomplishments will seem like speaks of sand against a sea of potential.

Now I'm not going to argue that only traditional arts do these things. But most traditional arts have a "tradition" of doing these things. That much I can say.

[Goju_boi]

I guess it's just a traditional arts thing.I've never heard it from a boxer or wrestler,even mixed martial artist.

[White Warlock]

boxers and wrestlers obtain humility in a different way. They get it in the ring, or go to the mat. They boast, they hoot, they waddle about... all for show before they step in and take a beating. It's part of the game of increasing ticket sales.

Now, that's on the professional level. On the amateur level, there's much humility. Moreso than i think most other sports because they feel, with every hit or every drop, just how much they still need to learn. Those who aren't humbled, become frustrated and quit. Their pride won't allow them to accept thier limitations.