Evolution of Kyokushin

[y2_sub]

Although Kyokushin fighters are not allowed to hold or push during competition, some fighters find loopholes in the system, which are difficult for judges to detect. There are many fighters who like to "parry" the opponent's arm away before striking. They also like to "hook punch" the opponent's shoulder blade, so that it shoves the opponent in for the knee.

I am one of these fighters

[y2_sub]

Nice posts Feels

[Meguro]

"Kickboxing rules favor the thai boxer"

well yeah Muay Thai is a form of kickboxing.

"Not really. Knock-down and kick-boxing are similar, but different; pain level might be the same, but the rules, techniques and strategy are not as similar as you might think."

can you explain in more details please?

Check out the Muay Thai thread for more details.

In summary, Kyokushin open tournament fighters:

fight with no weight division: no gloves or pads: no hand or elbow strikes to the head: no grabbing & holding.

Muay Thai: gloves; elbows to head permtted; holding & throwing.

The only way you can have open weight bare knuckle fights is to prohibit hand strikes to the head. Otherwise you'd end up with a bloody mess, with the smaller fighters usually being the bloody ones. This prohibition affects how the karateka fights inside. A Kyokushin karateka fighting Muay Thai rules would be hampered by his poorer boxing skills unless he did some extra work in this regard.

A Muay Thai fighter fighting knockdown rules might be stymied by facing a larger opponent and not being able to box as he was accustomed to. Also, the feeling of bare knuckles landing on your ribs and collar bone is quite distinct from gloved punches, I assure you.

[Superfoot]

One Kyokushin off-shoot, Enshin, utlise sweeps, throws and takedowns in their tournaments, in addition to their strikes. They also allow grabbing the gi to drag an opponent into an attack. I think they allow momentary head-clinching, as was allowed in Enshin's predecessor, Ashihara Karate.

To Feels: Could you please explain how Ryuta Noji performed these jumping elbows? Did he use these to break through his opponents guard, or knock them down/out?

[y2_sub]

Sounds like Enshin rules are similar to those of the earlier kyokushin days

[feels]

To Feels: Could you please explain how Ryuta Noji performed these jumping elbows? Did he use these to break through his opponents guard, or knock them down/out?

It was more for aesthetics than for damaging the opponent. Cause no one ever uses elbows in competition. If anything, elbows probably just annoy the opponent. So, when he started elbowing downward in rapid succession to the opponent's shoulder, the audience started cheering like crazy! And then he did a jumping elbow, which brought down the house!

[Goju_boi]

hey thanx for the explanatation and that clip.That's one of the best clips I've seen on the net and especially of kyokushin.

[y2_sub]

Yes it really was a great clip , I liked it as well

[Goju_boi]

the only thing I still don't get from that clip is how to perform the "brazilian kick"

[feels]

For the Brazilian Kick, you have to be able to lift your knee high and quickly pivot your base foot backwards, so that your knee faces downwards as the kick is being dropped. If you're short, you will have difficulty landing this kick because your kick might not be able to sail over your opponent's guard.