Opinion on UFC

[username8517]

Try this. Take an MMA athlete, who has trained for 6 months, and pit him in the ring against the TKD practitioner who has trained for 6 months. What do you suppose the outcome would be?

Depends on the rules applied to their encounter. In a MMA match or a fight with no rules, the MMA practioner will have an advantage as the TKD practioner will probably have less ground working skills, thus if it the fight goes to the ground the TKD practioner will have a smaller chance of success.

But put the MMA in a TKD sparring match and he'd be at a significant disadvantage as it's not the way he/she trains.

Then again, there's always the issue of personal skill and ability, but that's a whole different factor.

However, I do agree with what you are putting forth bushido_man--MMA is the closest thing we have to an all out sanctioned fight to the finish.

[bushido_man96]

Try this. Take an MMA athlete, who has trained for 6 months, and pit him in the ring against the TKD practitioner who has trained for 6 months. What do you suppose the outcome would be?

Depends on the rules applied to their encounter. In a MMA match or a fight with no rules, the MMA practioner will have an advantage as the TKD practioner will probably have less ground working skills, thus if it the fight goes to the ground the TKD practioner will have a smaller chance of success.

I was referring to a fight without rules. Closer to the MMA fighting rules.

[username8517]

Ahhh, gotcha. I completely agree with you then

[baronbvp]

Take an MMA athlete, who has trained for 6 months, and pit him in the ring against the TKD practitioner who has trained for 6 months. What do you suppose the outcome would be?

Short, uneven match = bad investment by the TV advertisers.

[bushido_man96]

Take an MMA athlete, who has trained for 6 months, and pit him in the ring against the TKD practitioner who has trained for 6 months. What do you suppose the outcome would be?

Short, uneven match = bad investment by the TV advertisers.

That is an interesting way to put it!

[ninjer]

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Remember REAL fights have NO rules,NO starting or ending time, No refrees, can be FAST and FURIOUS....and one can be killed.

IN REAl FIGHTS: Any techniques can be use, eye gougeing,throat strikes, breaking necks,slapping ears,breaking anything,chokes to kill, and any weapons can be use, including biting, tearing, ripping and so on.

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In brazil they still have vale tudo events (anything goes) where the only rules were old school UFC rules (eye gouging and biting).

Eye gouging and biting have been used in MMA events and were never successfull at winning the fight.

Throat strikes are allowed in Pride, but they've yet to yield any usefull results. By tucking the chin to defend a punch, you're effectively protecting your throat.

Breaking a neck= a submission move which means its legal in MMA tournaments. Breaking "anything" as you put it is also legal in MMA.

Slapping ears is also legal (this is a preferred technique of Royce Gracie actually)

All chokes are designed to kill- thats what happens when you apply them. The only difference is we stop the fight when someone passes out (since theres no argument that the fighter applying the choke could continue the move and kill his opponent).

Theres also not much to "tear" or "rip" on the human body. There are no rules against "tearing" or "ripping" in MMA.

So now, aside from the ruleset lets talk about what else is "real" about real fights vs MMA fights. "Real" fights dont have opponents who are equally trained professional fighters. No one goes out of their way to find two guys who are tearing it up and pit them against each other. In short, the baddest guy you're going to fight (assuming you're not unlucky enough to engage a professional fighter) is going to be a brawler who only fights with heart and no skill. Such people represent minimal danger to a trained fighter and will either get KO'ed within a minute or choked unconcious.

One of my personal favorite examples of such a fight occurring is on Felony Fights. FF is a streetfights DvD/organization that puts together unlicensed bareknuckle fights with no rules. One showed a professional MMA fighter in Shad Smith vs a "brawler."

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=368

In short, Shad literally slapped his opponent around on the feet (knowing hed risk breaking his hand if he threw punches). When he tired of that, he took him to the ground and dropped a few elbows from the mounted position while his opponents head bounced off the concrete. I dont believe his opponent ever managed to hit him so much as once during the entire fight, even with "no rules."

UFC is one of the closest tthing to real fighting, People love to see fights,(It's in our nature). UFC has Im sure if they were fighting to the death....things would be very different.rules...it needs them. and has it place for entertainments sports. JUST A SPORT .........Aloha

They wouldnt be that different, aside from people dying and all. It would present one hell of a problem to the promoters though as they tried to fill up their fight cards, only to find that those who were the big market names were dead because they lost their last fight. Aside from that, lets be honost here-everyone talks about how they're training for "real" fights and anything goes, but how many "real" fights are to the death?

[learning kempo-karate]

Hello, These are the national statistic An average of 26,000 Americans die each year from stupid fights, sometimes as easy as being push down and hitting their head on the curb and dies.

How many people die in street fights thousands of them each year...many times you do not hear about them. EGO's and Prides get too many people in trouble.

Remember if you are fighting to the death.....most fighter/MMA will go for the killing techniques.

IN the ring...you do not have to worry about someone digging your eye's out, or snapping your neck, ripping the throat. ( you are looking for the knock-out or sumissions only.

If you think they would not fight differently? UM?......Best to ask the MMA fighters for this answer...they would really know and can tell us....Aloha

[learning kempo-karate]

Hello, As for the deaths from fightng. If you do your research on this? You will be surprise of the large numbers of people who dies each year.

Those who are injury for life is larger. Man still has not learn? ...that fighting is not the answer for solving problems. Yet we do because of our EGO and Pride.

Every country has someone fighting each other, religions fight each other,many countries have many tribes that live next door hate each other. Greece and Turkey hate each other...they have been fighting each other for hundreds of years. (it will never end)

Why each generation teaches their kids to become like themselves...they teach to hate and fighting back is the answer for themselves.

Martial arts came about...so each person can fight back and win. Asian wars....in many countries still going on....

How many people die in fights....endless....just check the records...Aloha

[ninjer]

Hello, These are the national statistic An average of 26,000 Americans die each year from stupid fights, sometimes as easy as being push down and hitting their head on the curb and dies.

How many people die in street fights thousands of them each year...many times you do not hear about them. EGO's and Prides get too many people in trouble.

26,000- now thats not a whole lot- 20,000 people die each year from falling. Compare 26,000 fatalities vs how many fights and you're going to get a rather small percentage. Beyond that, how many of these deaths were intentional? Im willing the bet the vast majority were accidental (as you said, a ko blow that sends someone falling head first to the concrete).

Remember if you are fighting to the death.....most fighter/MMA will go for the killing techniques.

IN the ring...you do not have to worry about someone digging your eye's out, or snapping your neck, ripping the throat. ( you are looking for the knock-out or sumissions only.

Chokes ARE kililng techniques. Try to understand WHY people tap out and WHY people stop the fight when opponents are batterred senseless. When someone is choked unconcious, one only need to hold the choke to kill them. When you apply an armbar/joint lock and break your opponent limb, you severely decrease his combat effectiveness to the point of him no longer being a threat to you. At this point you have the option of stomping his head into the concrete until death. The same goes for someone who gets knocked out- with no ref and a fight to the death, a fighter keeps beating on his unconcious opponent until hes dead. Fights are stopped because we KNOW who won- we dont need someone to outright kill someone else just because of it.

If you think they would not fight differently? UM?......Best to ask the MMA fighters for this answer...they would really know and can tell us....Aloha

You mean... would I abandon the techniques that I know best and have been proven to work in a real life altercation against professional athletes who were well aware of the exact moves I applied on them in favor of a set of techniques that hasnt proved to be as effective in the same situations? No. When my opponent is unconcious, hes no longer a threat to me. One of the best ways to render someone unconcious is by choke hold or knockout. Interestingly enough, thats the goal of MMA.

Addressing what I wrote above in regards to deaths related to fighting

Compare how people fought when someone died, and compare how people fought when they both went home, and Im willing to bet that the fights are going to look relatively the same. You're not going to see some super deadly technique being used when someone gets killed. You're going to see punching, grabbing, and a whole bunch of other things, just the same as the fights of those people whos fights didnt include a fatality.

[learning kempo-karate]

Hello, Not sure how to answer the above. NO two fights will be the same, nor end the same. The average person do not want to kill anyone or seriouly injury someone (the good guys here).

Accidents do happen (when you kill someone). The bad guys they want to destroy you.

Most of us will fight the same way in a real fight or just practicing. But in a real fight...(combat...snaping the neck, damaging strikes to the throat, and breaking limbs, are tarkets). We all train for the KILLING techniques. Most of us are NOT KILLERS. and have the killer instincts to go that far. (accidents happens).

I guess it depends on the person who you are fighting, the situtions, the varibles of the attacker./attackers....will determine what you need to do, to survive. NOt every fight will you want to go to the limits!

We train for three levels: To eacape (runaway), Control ( Locks,holds,take downs) and /Destroy methods (which has unlimited levels by it's self). Only when the time comes...you will know what you should do? Hopefully the correct one! NO one wants to go to Jail!

Thank-you for sharing your thoughts. There will be always two sides for everything...both can be right? or wrong? ......BUT at least we can bring other ways to look at something......Aloha