White Warlock Posted August 26, 2005 Posted August 26, 2005 doest hurt that much??? if a guy puts a hole in your cheek with it its going to hurt.It's going to be really difficult to put a hole in someone's cheek with a fish hook...I've been fish hooked...I think the simple counter is to bite down. I personally didn't find it that painful, even though the guy had it ripping at my cheek, but maybe there is some kind of technique that it can be done with that makes it hurt more.if you don't put your fingers between their teeth, they're not going to be able to bite them off. I have lost a lot of interest in UFC. They've added plenty of silly rules to ensure there is 'more action,' but this detracts from being able to watch martial artists in action... and instead focuses on brutes in action. The first 10 or so were good, since then it's lost a lot of what i consider 'martial-art related' study material. "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro
Nick_sam Posted August 26, 2005 Posted August 26, 2005 i dont like it at all. there doesnt seem to be any art to it, it just looks really brutal - two guys rolling on the floor trying to bash eachother in the face... i dont wanna see that!
Menjo Posted August 26, 2005 Posted August 26, 2005 i know exactly what you mean, ive almost lost all interest. "Time is what we want most, but what we use worst"William Penn
UseoForce Posted August 26, 2005 Posted August 26, 2005 That's a common statement made by traditional martial artists. Look at it this way. If an MMA fighter saw akidokas practicing, he'd probably wonder where the striking was (Unless it was old school aikido, but that's beside the point). If he saw a shotokan karate tournament, he'd wonder why there was no grapling, KOs, or submissions.There's two things that lead to this:1. Many people expect to see the stylized sort of martial arts they practice in their dojos (or dojangs, in my case). But that's just not reality of combat. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing traditional practices, but most of the pretty stuff goes out the window in real fight (Or in this case, MMA fighting, which is NOT real but pretty close). 2. People usually don't understand the arts being practiced. When you see the striking, you are seeing boxing and muay thai. When you see tthose guys "rolling on the ground" you are seeing BJJ at its finest! If it works, use it!If not, throw it out!
Menjo Posted August 26, 2005 Posted August 26, 2005 What i meant is that i dont find grappling very entertaining, i didnt say i doesnt take skill.O yea and shotokan doesnt use pretty stuff, like most other martial arts, its just they train differently which can be misleading... "Time is what we want most, but what we use worst"William Penn
Ben Martin Posted August 26, 2005 Posted August 26, 2005 ^ i used to feel the same way about grappling but now i have come to like it and UFC fights that often stay standing up get abit boring as you can elbow in the face when you have your fo's back to the floor. https://www.ufc.tv is the siteUFC rules, as approved by the Nevada State Athletic Commission - July 23, 2001 Weight classes: Lightweight - over 145 lbs. to 155 lbs. Welterweight - over 155 lbs. to 170 lbs. Middleweight - over 170 lbs. to 185 lbs. Light Heavyweight - over 185 lbs. to 205 lbs. Heavyweight - over 205 lbs. to 265 lbs. Bout duration: All non-championship bouts shall be three rounds. All championship bouts shall be five rounds. Rounds will be five minutes in duration, with a one minute. A one-minute rest period will occur between each round. Fouls: Butting with the head. Eye gouging of any kind. Biting. Hair pulling. Fish hooking. Groin attacks of any kind. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent. Small joint manipulation. Striking to the spine or the back of the head. Striking downward using the point of the elbow. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh. Grabbing the clavicle. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent. Stomping a grounded opponent. Kicking to the kidney with the heel. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent. Spitting at an opponent. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent. Holding the ropes or the fence. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area. Attacking an opponent on or during the break. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury. Interference by the corner. Throwing in the towel during competition. Ways To Win: Submission by: Physical tap out. Verbal tap out. Technical knockout by the referee stopping the contest. Technical knockout by the referee stopping the contest. Decision via the scorecards, including: Unanimous decision. Split decision. Majority decision. Draw, including: Unanimous draw. Majority draw. Split draw. Technical decision. Technical draw. Disqualification. Forfeit. No contest. Referee may Restart the round: If the fighters reach a stalemate and do not work to improve position or finish Strive to Become The Type Of Person That Others Do Not Normally Encounter In This WorldI would love it if everyone i spoke to or met throughout my life would benefit from being with or speaking to me. - Life goalI See The Sunshine But Their's A Storm Holding Me Back.
Menjo Posted August 26, 2005 Posted August 26, 2005 Wow thanks for the info , however i dont see how people think its close to a real situation. Even the people you would fight on the street are differetn with different intents... "Time is what we want most, but what we use worst"William Penn
UseoForce Posted August 26, 2005 Posted August 26, 2005 It's about as close as you can get without being extremely dangerous (And illegal!). No, its not perfect, but it is the closest approximation of combat that is socially acceptable. Does that me everyone should train MMA if they are looking for self defense? No. Are there many lessons you can learn from it? Yes! If it works, use it!If not, throw it out!
KempoTiger Posted August 26, 2005 Posted August 26, 2005 Small joint manipulation.Does this mean you can't use locks?? If so does this include things like the figure four type locks? If so, how can we consider this efficient and realistic grappling? "Question oneself, before you question others"
SubGrappler Posted August 26, 2005 Posted August 26, 2005 Wow thanks for the info , however i dont see how people think its close to a real situation. Even the people you would fight on the street are differetn with different intents...Because its all about realistic fighting. If a mixed martial artist got into a fight with some "thug" or "brawler" on the street, he just might end up killing the poor guy.Not too long ago, Tim Sylvia and I believe Wes Simms got into a fight at a bar with a couple of Navy Seals and beat the hell out of all of them.
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