When is it acceptable to use deadly techniques in the street

[fighter_not_a_lover]

when in a unpredictable situation do you feel it is acceptable to kill.

this is something my friends and i have been debating alot recently.

do you do it before they take the knife out even tho they might not have one, or once they take out the weapon in which it may be too late?

[Manabimasho1]

This is a catch 22 and has been done on other posts and threads many times.

If I know the guy is armed even if I don't see the weapon and he is threatening me in a way that I feel is lethal threats or deadly threats. Then Yeah I am gonna act first, This is what I have been trained to do, and what I will tell you from Experience I would do over and over again.

I am not telling anyone else to do that , but it's what I will do to protect myself. I have bounced at bars and had to quit because of so many fights and I was in Jail alot for doing my job, Often times a redneck or gangster walks in trying to find the bouncers and start with them. Well I'm not intemidated, I have in the past struck first and never regreated it.

You don't know what will happen and I won't risk my life waiting to actualy see someone who is threatening my life pull out a weapon or come at me with it. That is a gamble I won't take and would ask that my children never take it either.

I have seriously hurt people and our dojo has two students who killed other men and only one went to prison for a very small time. The Legal system is very messed up at times, and when someone comes at me with a knive, gun, or intent to seriously hurt me the Legal system is the last thing on my mind.

Me being there for my wife, and kids is priority #1

[ovine king]

daft question.

it has no answer and can only be answered when it happens and even then, the answer might not actually what you intended it to be.

[Superchick]

Hi,

As a female student in the Martial Arts I thought I knew how to defend myself, but our school doesn't use realistic situations often times. My Master a 6th dan found another Master near us who has a very rough school. During a demonstration of how to break a choke I noticed that all thier schools students were actualy getting behind the students and choking them often pulling them back off thier feet, just when I thought to myself uh oh...I noticed WAM the choker was down and in a joint lock.

When it was my turn I figured I would do as I was always trained by trying to elbow the ribs or stomach of the attacker and pull thier hands off then turn around with Kenpo Daggers....It failed horriably I tapped and nearly vomited.

Since then I have realised that some schools don't teach realistic stuff, and if anyone ever tried to hurt me I will no longer be conserned about thier health or well being.

[jnpnshr411]

before the weapon is pulled out you dont know whether he has one or not. And the weapon is only dangerous once he pulls it out and begins weilding it. So why wait until he pulls it out, i like to assume that every opponent posseses a weapon so i need to take him down before he gets a chance to get any worse. (not necessarily death)

[isshinryu5toforever]

In today's legal environment, it seems that your actions depend on your level of experience. If you're a high ranking martial artist, the court would probably consider you a lethally trained professional who should be held accountable for his actions, this would include stopping an attacker with a knife rather than killing them. They would feel you should be able to disarm them and control them rather than destroy them. Knives and guns are two very different situations. It would be my belief that in the situation of a gun being involved if they went to pull it out and you ended the situation quickly and effectively, and you happened to kill them, I think they'd have problems prosecuting you. In the situation of a knife however, because the weapon is not considered as completely lethal as a gun (just because that's how messed up our society is) if you kill the man, you may or may not be prosecuted depending on the judge, jury, and the strength of your defense. You would need to prove that your life was definitely in danger in the situation of a knife, whereas most would automatically consider your life in danger in the case of a gun. Messed up I know.

[jnpnshr411]

a knive is as deadly is as a gun if not more. An nypd detective informed me that if i am attacked with a knive and the attacked dies with his own knive and I call the police (not run away) and explain the situation, there is close to no chance that I can be penalized.

[Manabimasho1]

An nypd detective informed me that if i am attacked with a knive and the attacked dies with his own knive and I call the police (not run away) and explain the situation, there is close to no chance that I can be penalized.

Make sure the guys is Dead and there were no witnesses, if there were I would be acting like I was seriously hurt to win the vote of them.

If the attacker lived its a hear say battle in court where both would be probably punished.

and I have heard of stories of Martial Artists taking knives or guns away from attackers and harming them with them and the Martial artists went to prison.....so also make sure your fingerprints aren't on the knife, if all else fails.

Tell the police the guy tried to rob you, he pulled you back and you freaked out thinking he was gonna kill you, the guy wrestled you to the ground and you fought back and got up only to see he was stuck.....you dont' remember anymore it happened fast.

That story works.

[Superchick]

Tell the police the guy tried to rob you, he pulled you back and you freaked out thinking he was gonna kill you, the guy wrestled you to the ground and you fought back and got up only to see he was stuck.....you dont' remember anymore it happened fast.

That story works.

Ha, Manabimasho1 is crazy you all just don't know....I have known him for about a year or so and he has stories to tell....make sure you take notes boys n girls

[Manabimasho1]

Ha, Manabimasho1 is crazy you all just don't know....

Hey S.Chick,

Yeah I guess you want me to tell the story of "STAN THE MAN" lol huh... well ok.

Stan is this guy who is a complete moron, he used to attend our dojo and got his brownbelt 2nd degree and quit because we are rough in training. Anyways throughout the years Stan looks alot like Chuck Norris, he tries to imitate him and some of us think Stan has issues lol. Stan comes around and we just put up with him.

Anyways one day Stan is at a store while its closing and hears some guy arguing with the cashier, the guy arguing is pissed because they wont cash his check and the angry guy Pulls out a pistol and waves it in the face of the cashier and tells her to open the draw and he wants all the money.

So Stan being the moron he is, asks the guy to calm down and tries to talk him to death, the angry guy is eye balling stan and eventualy Stan jumps in and breaks the guys finger while on the trigger and disarms the gun, but the gun goes off into the wall.

OHHH GOD here comes the funny part. The news and press freak out and are cheering on Stan, Stan tells the press he is the Main Instructor of Our DOJO and that he is a 5th degree Black Belt!!!!!!!!!! The freaking newspapers run the story and DONT EVEN INVESTIGATE HIS CLAIMS.

Later I find out the man with the gun was like 80 and feeble but the Newspapers and Stan tells it was a tough looking 20 year old. Well this story went around a few times and somehow it turned into a Gang of bank robbers and Stan breaking everyones arms and disarming them LOL. Another local newspaper runs the story and my Grandmaster said enough he contacted the newspapers and told them he was sueing if they didn't stop running it.

The funniest part of all this was Stan is a moron, he would barely learn a move and we laughed about it saying If stan can do it anyone can. But the Cashier who we meet later told us Stan pissed his pants and cried begging the gunman to leave. The Cashier says the gunman is disgusted by Stan and asks stan to hold a bag for him to help the robbery. Then Stan cries saying he doesn't want to be a part of the crime and freaks out the guy pulls Stan back and stan happened to perform a perfect fingerlock gun disarm technique and did break the guys finger.

But leave it to the news to take a real day Starwarskid and make them into a hero.!!!