Kyokushin vs. Hapkido

[y2_sub]

that doesn't surprise me,isn't there a lot of kyokushin guys in K-1 kickboxing thing?

Fransisco filho for instance , kyokushin world champion and k-1 legend , when he started fighting in k-1 , he had no hand strikes to the head experience .

[y2_sub]

k-1 bows to kyokushin :

"TOKYO, May 30, 2004 -- Kyokushin Karate fighters overwhelmed their K-1 opponents, winning all seven matchups in a unique fight event at the historic Budokan in central Tokyo. "Ichigeki" ("decisive strike") featured a K-1 vs Kyokushin format. "

all the article at

http://www.so-net.ne.jp/*/k-1gp/b04_0530_2.htm

[Goju_boi]

hey this link doesn't work

[McNerny]

Hey,

If I could train in either style I would probably go into kyokushin karate because of my current karate experience. However, it would be nice to learn some of hapkido's grappling moves...

[JissenKumite100]

WhiteWarlock wrote: A student putting too much emphasis on those competitions could get these 'rule-habits' ingrained, and then he would be wide open for face shots and takedowns.

I have been fighting in kyokushin tournaments for over a year now and your are forgetting that head kicks are allowed in our fights. If your hands drop your a target for a hook kick or a Axe kick and beleive me, you dont want to be on the receiving end of those.

Also, at my dojo when we train, we train with every technique aiming towards the head. I would say about 85% of all our training is based around defending yourself in a uncontrolled street fight. When we go into the tournaments we are basically told that punching to the face is not allowed. I would only hope that a smart fighter would distinguish a tournament fight from a real one.

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[White Warlock]

I have been fighting in kyokushin tournaments for over a year now and your are forgetting that head kicks are allowed in our fights. If your hands drop your a target for a hook kick or a Axe kick and beleive me, you dont want to be on the receiving end of those.

No, i'm not forgetting. I didn't know. Thank you.

But, it still doesn't detract from my thought that the competitions could cause one to develop a bad habit of not defending against head attacks... at least from the hands. Also, i've never thought attacking the head with a foot/leg as a 'smart' move (unless, of course, you park his head down to knee level), so i'm not really seeing this additional information as all that beneficial. I.e., the competitions encourage three bad habits: one is to not worry about defending against hand attacks to the head, another is to attack the head with kicks, and the other is to stay within grappling range, yet not participate in grappling actions... and thus not develop actions which could help to counter or complement grappling actions.

I would only hope that a smart fighter would distinguish a tournament fight from a real one.

As would i, but my experience has taught me that what you practice in a tournament can very well translate into what you do in the streets, as it becomes more ingrained (via muscle memory) than what you train for outside of competition. Granted, this is not a hard and fast rule, but it is the leaning.

[UseoForce]

So this brings up a new debate:

Better to train with safety gear to all (within reason) target areas or train bare knuckle with limited target areas.

I think I'm leaning toward the former, but I'd like to hear your opinions.

[Goju_boi]

well I guess the reason they train bareknuckle is so they get used to fighting like that and to condition

[y2_sub]

Hello White Warlock

just a question : Have you ever been in a kyokushin dojo ??

any way , as what you said before , kyokushin fights are close range fights ( grappling range as you mentioned it ) , 90 % of head kicks are executed from a medium to long range distance ,so obviously most of our kicks are done to the mid and lower body section .

Plus , there is nothing wrong with a good roundhouse that can end the fight in a second ( oh , and it's usefull in a real fight , belive me , i've been there .. )

what you c as a disadvantage of beeing exposed to takedowns , i look at it as an advantage of beeing able to strike even in a grappling position

[y2_sub]

So this brings up a new debate:

Better to train with safety gear to all (within reason) target areas or train bare knuckle with limited target areas.

I think I'm leaning toward the former, but I'd like to hear your opinions.

I will end this debate and let the founder of kyokushin , Oyama Sosai , answer for you .

http://www.kyokushinmail.com/koya/letters/letter5.htm