Kyokushin vs. Hapkido

[UseoForce]

Yeah, but it is street-oriented, so going to ground isn't generally encouraged

However, if we go down, we know how to deal with it.

[BLACCBILLYJACC]

Yeah, but it is street-oriented, so going to ground isn't generally encouraged

However, if we go down, we know how to deal with it.

You said a "mouth full'o knocked out teeth full" and you are so correct.

[UseoForce]

Is that a compliment?

Hey, you do hapkido! Do you learn the extended style of groundfighting similar to BJJ?

[BLACCBILLYJACC]

Is that a compliment?

Of course it is.

Hey, you do hapkido! Do you learn the extended style of groundfighting similar to BJJ?

Well put I tend to look at it this way, BJJ is about 70% ground/grapple & about 30% stand up . HKD is about 70% stand up and about 30% ground/grapple.

Speaking from my experience in the system I train. It's about ending the fight quickly with kicks & punches if possible, if that doesn't end it it'll usally soften em' up. if grabbing & holding takes place that's where the joint locks, knees,foot stomps,throws & chokes can take place, if that's not possible sweeps using the foot or leg, and if he or you end up somehow on the cement (OUCH!) then there's various moves taught to get outta there & back on your feet. It's not going to go as indepth as BJJ but maybe there's some traditional HKD guys who'll beg to differ.

This is just from my experience. I worked on & off as a bouncer for 6 years or so, (I stopped back in 1997 or so) I can only remember one time taking some one down. I got into it out side of a club in Hollywood with a tall lanky guy who's about 6'5 maybe 180 because of his hight, but he was fast with long Dennis Rodman type of arms and he backed me up with strikes so quick that all I could do is back pedal when I ran outta space I just covered my head & went in close & did a two leg take down before he could react, & once he hit the ground I didn't scale him to apply a choke or strikes, I got up & it was a blessing because before I could do anything else I was pushed from behind pretty hard by one of his friends,

and then they helped him up & by then a few more of my guys came out of the club. I just think that if I had stayed & tried to put moves & holds on him I could've ended up laying up next to em' :

So that's the way it's trained in our system.

Edited August 16, 2005 by BLACCBILLYJACC

[UseoForce]

Ha, that's a classic reason why not to go to the ground in the street. Great example.

So it's more about recovery than fighting per se?

[Goju_boi]

"So it's more about recovery than fighting per se?"

what do u mean?

[BLACCBILLYJACC]

So it's more about recovery than fighting per se?

I guess you can say that. But trust me there's a lot of ground work in it but not as much as in BJJ but still what's there is quite effective.

If you saw some of the clips you can see that the guys do quite a bit of ground or should I say mat work that goes against HKD street defense.

BTW, I have more footage but I need a new camera to firewire it into the system.

[White Warlock]

From what i understand, hapkido incorporates moves from Korea's wrestling/grappling system called ssireum (other names for it prior to 1920 were gakjo, gakhi, sangbak, jaenggyo, gakgi, and just plain 'gak').

[UseoForce]

I didn't know that. It might not be true. Most of the grappling I've seen came directly from Daito ryu jiu-jitsu.

[b3n]

In reply to the original question, i would say Kyokushin is much better. Ive been training under an excellent shihan for over 8 years in kyokushin and its excellent.