What style to compensate for?

[Kajukenbopr]

yeah, we kneel to meditate a bit.

dont get frightened...

[dippedappe]

I dont see why someone taking Shaolin Kung Fu wold need to start training in WC specially if they want to train in something different- Dont u see you can master Shaolin and keep improving? you dont really need to train in something else, just take different points of view when in training.

Wing Chun and kenpo or Kajukenbo would be a waste of money not because they are not competent but because you would be trying to mix stuff that works well on its own and by mixing those 2 without the needed experience/knowledge all you do is make it harder on yourself when you train. You end up learning bad WC or bad Kenpo and bad Kajukenbo.

Look for a style that not only gives u excercises but leaves you comfortable with what you learn so you can be confident that what you learn is enough, so IF you have to use it someday it will come out "perfect" or as best you can.

The best option I see is getting together in the week with someone who practices WC also, so you dont get left behind.

I can't go to the Shaolin school anymore. Thats the problem. I can't afford it.

Tell me. Is there a way to use Wing Chun alongside with Shaolin in a fight, without loosing the power in the Wing Chun techniques? I can see how I can use sidekick but what else? How can I use both systems effectively in a fight?

I seem to recall reading that Jackie Chan have studied both Hung Gar and Wing Chun. I wonder how he make use of both systems in a fight.

[ovine king]

I really don't get what it is you re asking.

I train mainly in wing chun and have done many others in the past, including some time on shaolin style(s). When I spar free-style (i.e san shou rules), I do whatever I want and the question of "is this wing chun?" or "is this shaolin?" just doesn't come up.

[Kajukenbopr]

nope, actually,its a bit funny about that- you learn Kung Fu and you study the animal parts of Kung Fu(dont know how that is called). When you learn Kung Fu you end up with a bit from one style, a bit from another style, but it is all Kung Fu.

take Bruce Lee for example, he trained in Wing Chun before he became famous, after he became famous people began to say he took jujitsu, kung fu, some boxing.... he only trained in Kung Fu- Wing Chun.

Do you honestly see a shaolin punch that much different from a Hung Gar punch? kicks are the same... height might be the only difference.....

just use whatever necesary

[dippedappe]

I really don't get what it is you re asking.

I train mainly in wing chun and have done many others in the past, including some time on shaolin style(s). When I spar free-style (i.e san shou rules), I do whatever I want and the question of "is this wing chun?" or "is this shaolin?" just doesn't come up.

I see your point.

nope, actually,its a bit funny about that- you learn Kung Fu and you study the animal parts of Kung Fu(dont know how that is called). When you learn Kung Fu you end up with a bit from one style, a bit from another style, but it is all Kung Fu.

take Bruce Lee for example, he trained in Wing Chun before he became famous, after he became famous people began to say he took jujitsu, kung fu, some boxing.... he only trained in Kung Fu- Wing Chun.

Do you honestly see a shaolin punch that much different from a Hung Gar punch? kicks are the same... height might be the only difference.....

just use whatever necesary

Hung Gar is shaolin too, isn't it? Bruce Lee trained much more than just Kung Fu. He also trained Karate, aikido, Judo and some other styles.

[White Warlock]

take Bruce Lee for example, he trained in Wing Chun before he became famous, after he became famous people began to say he took jujitsu, kung fu, some boxing.... he only trained in Kung Fu- Wing Chun.

To be fair, he did study boxing, fencing, judo, and other styles. He took boxing, fencing and judo courses while in college.

As to the history of hung gar, it is shoalin-based, yes. It needs to be mentioned, though, that the martial arts didn't originate in shoalin temples. And, the founder of hung gar was also a disciple of the progenitor of wing chun. You'll note very many similarities, including phraseology (lop sau, etc), between the two.

[BLueDevil]

Bruce also hung out with Ed Parker quite a bit and in Parkers books he made mention that Lee's stance was weak so one can only assume he picked up some kenpo concepts along the way as well.

[Kajukenbopr]

thats what I mean, one says: he(Bruce Lee) studied boxing, fencing and judo.

others say he studied Karate, aikido, Judo and some other styles.

Can anyone clarify this for me??

Because for what I know, he could have studied other people's movements, but really study and master other styles would take really long, how many years did he train in each one?

--I'm not criticizing, by the way, he was a great martial artist, I just want to get my facts straight--

[White Warlock]

Can anyone clarify this for me??

Nobody can. I'm sure if you make a request for a list of the courses he enrolled in at Washington University (he majored in philosophy), you'll get some concrete information. But, other than that, it's all word-of-mouth. From some of the word-of-mouth information i've obtained ( http://www.wingchun.com/ROLF.htm ), he entered a boxing competition in high school, while still in Hong Kong, and fought a person named Gary Elms. I am not sure if he had any other bouts, but he had to have done some studying in order to have entered the competition (rules studying, at the very least).

He also studied cha cha for 4 years (dance), and won the Crown Colony Cha-Cha championship in 1958. This is documented. It is also documented that he acted in 21 films by the time he was 18 years old. A child actor.

As to specifically what martial arts he studied formally, and the amount of study in such systems, i only know for certain that he studied wing chun for 5 years. He shared knowledge with students and colleagues, many of which were talented practitioners on their own merits (Bob Wall, Chuck Norris, Dan Inosanto, etc), and i understand he studied boxing, fencing, and judo formally at Washington University for an undetermined period (semesters?), but never verified this, nor am i inclined to. As well, if you examine his notes, as presented in Tao of Jeet Kune Do, you'll find he posed many detailed observations of other systems, which required him to have delved a little... to have studied.

--I'm not criticizing, by the way, he was a great martial artist, I just want to get my facts straight--

Personally, i don't think it's all that important. He was a man, a father and a husband, not an icon. He acted and he studied the martial arts. Exactly what his path was, is not important. Only that he did not have the opportunity to complete this path, only to journey it.

I recommend reading this article from his son, Brandon Lee. It helps to put things into perspective: http://www.bruce-lee.ws/article1.html

/tangent off

[Kajukenbopr]

by what I've read, he probably didnt get a chance to train properly in all those styles. Most likely, I think he studied a bit of those styles, and took some concepts from what he saw.

but who knows? he had enough money to take private lessons which I doubt since he didnt consider everyone a worthy fighter.